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1 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:53pm

Is there any chance this woman had a Do Not resuscitate order?

2 Virginia Plain  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:19pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

Is there any chance this woman had a Do Not resuscitate order?

My question too. But of course, these sensationalist news articles won’t include that crucial detail.

3 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:23pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

Looks like … no.

4 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:06:17pm

re: #2 Virginia Plain

On the tape, a different Glenwood Gardens employee said that an elderly woman had passed out in the facility’s dining room while eating. She was barely breathing and, according to KGET-TV, did not have a do-not-resuscitate order.

[Link: www.latimes.com…]

5 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:11:43pm

Very last sentence of the L.A. Times article:

Bayless’ daughter told KGET that she was a nurse and was satisfied with her mother’s care at Glenwood Gardens, the station reported.

6 sunnygal  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:26:40pm

If the family is o.k. with what Glenwood Gardens refused to do (do CPR), why is this news? Doing CPR on an 87 year old person would undoubtedly crack her ribs and cause other damage, making her bed-ridden and susceptible to much worse things than death, IMO.

The daughter, who is a nurse, obviously knows more about the consequences of CPR on an 87-year-old than the news reporter or the dispatcher.

7 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:34:37pm

Emotions running high.
[Link: www.ourparents.com…]

[Link: www.yelp.com…]

8 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:46:14pm

re: #7 Bob Dillon

Emotions running high.
[Link: www.ourparents.com…]

[Link: www.yelp.com…]

Good grief. My own father told me that if he collapses, not to let anyone do CPR on him (and he’s only 68) because he doesn’t want his ribs cracked (already had open heart surgery once) and he doesn’t want to live in a debilitated state.

If the daughter doesn’t appear to have a problem with it, then it is nobody else’s business.

9 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:57:04pm

re: #8 Sionainn

If the daughter doesn’t appear to have a problem with it, then it is nobody else’s business.

Your point is well taken however it is every other residents and their famlies business.

10 Sionainn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:59:54pm

re: #9 Bob Dillon

Your point is well taken however it is every other residents and their famlies business.

As the article stated, residents and patients are well aware of the policy. If they don’t like it, find a different assisted living place.

11 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:32:17pm

re: #9 Bob Dillon

Your point is well taken however it is every other residents and their famlies business.

Do you understand how CPR works?

You can easily flat-out kill an elderly patient by doing CPR. At absolute best, they now are alive but with massive contusions and broken ribs. Whatever was killing them is still there in the first place, and now they have internal bleeding and severe pain.

12 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:39:28pm

re: #11 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Do you understand how CPR works?

I was first ARC certified in 1960. Multiple additional times since then.

13 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:41:03pm

re: #12 Bob Dillon

I was first ARC certified in 1960. Multiple additional times since then.

Then you clearly understand why it’s completely reasonable not to do to a 87 year old woman in many, many cases, right?

14 Bob Dillon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:50:45pm

re: #13 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

We can second guess and argue this forever. None of us was there. It depends on the individuals or attorney-in-facts wishes and instructions and whether they match with the nursing homes policies.

Personally, at over 70, I’ll still take CPR. Obviously the 911 operator and the nurse had a difference of opinion.

I live in a community where the average age is 78 and there are a significant number of senior-seniors. The majority of us opt for CPR.

15 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:07:32pm

re: #14 Bob Dillon

The nurse is far more qualified than the 911 operator to make that call. Far, far more.

What you and those you know choose doesn’t matter in the least. It’s between this woman and her doctors and nurses. You agree that choosing not to give CPR can be a perfectly good medical decision, even if it’s not what you choose for yourself. So what on earth is the big deal with this story for you?


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