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1 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:22:00pm

One place to start authenticating quotes from historical figures is a Google Book search.

books.google.com

Most “Einstein” quotes are fake, too!

2 Beauzeaux  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:29:43pm

The two things I look for in spotting fake quotes are anachronisms (which you cite) and the putative author’s style. Churchill is very quotable but a quote that includes sexual banter is likely not his. Some just “smell” wrong.
Also any story that explains a word as an acronym (TIP, POSH, etc) is likely false. Acronyms are an invention of the 20th century. AWOL, originating after WWI, being the first.

3 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:12:16pm

Something scary about this retroactive need by rightwingers to invent historic quotes. It tells us something about how much the rightwing is scared? freaked out? I don’t know what but it has to indicate something about what’s happening to them as a movement.

4 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:15:16pm

The only thing we have to fear is invading hordes of brown people from south of the border - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

5 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:20:03pm

re: #3 Destro

Something scary about this retroactive need by rightwingers to invent historic quotes. It tells us something about how much the rightwing is scared? freaked out? I don’t know what but it has to indicate something about what’s happening to them as a movement.

In my opinion, it means that magical thinking is no longer confined to the creationists. This kind of zealotry has infected the entire conservative movement.

6 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:51:46pm

My rule of thumb is that if it supports a modern conservative cause (is that an oxymoron?), such as opposition to gun control or the tyranny of the federal government it’s almost certainly bullshit.

7 John Vreeland  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:56:02pm

“Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not.”

Whoever said it, if it were true then it would be an excellent reason to lock up people with guns.

8 John Vreeland  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:05:31pm

New take: if I ever see this quote in the wild, I am going to accuse the poster of leaving out the second part of the quote, in which Jefferson argues that unauthorized gun owners should be jailed. If they don’t believe me they can always go look up the source themselves.

9 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:11:05pm

re: #5 EPR-radar

In my opinion, it means that magical thinking is no longer confined to the creationists. This kind of zealotry has infected the entire conservative movement.

This phenomenon is not new - see the story the right wing religious types circulate about the hoax story about George Washington having an Old Testament type of vision for the future of the USA. It has long been known as a fiction written in the 19th century but there was some sort of need to invent such a story by people of faith. I actually think those that invent these quotes do so in such a way they think this is how it SHOULD have happened and SHOULD of is more important to them than how it did happen and once they write it and spread it the fiction becomes reality like some sort of magical incantation.

10 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:02:00am

Found another one:


This is a made-up David Barton Fake Quote.

11 Sionainn  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:30:56am

I posted on FB on a my husband’s brother’s page that his George Washington quote was incorrect. One of his friends jumped in and started arguing with me. She finally admitted that it was fake, but it was a good quote that summed up what she felt was right and good. When I asked her why it had to be falsely attributed to George Washington in order to be relevant, I got no response. Dumbasses.

12 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:35:50am

re: #11 Sionainn

I posted on FB on a my husband’s brother’s page that his George Washington quote was incorrect. One of his friends jumped in and started arguing with me. She finally admitted that it was fake, but it was a good quote that summed up what she felt was right and good. When I asked her why it had to be falsely attributed to George Washington in order to be relevant, I got no response. Dumbasses.

That has pretty much been my experience on Twitter. The most common reaction is to scream LIBRUL TROLL!!!11!!TY and BLOCK THIS LIBTARD!!!!! Then they try to argue saying “YOU MISS THE POINT!” and “WHO CARES WHO SAID IT IF IT’S TRUE!!!11111!!”

Twice I received polite replies thanking me for the correction.

There are some who never respond at all, and don’t block me either, but keep Tweeting the same fake shit over and over. They are probably automated bots.

13 Destro  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 6:39:06am

re: #11 Sionainn

I posted on FB on a my husband’s brother’s page that his George Washington quote was incorrect. One of his friends jumped in and started arguing with me. She finally admitted that it was fake, but it was a good quote that summed up what she felt was right and good. When I asked her why it had to be falsely attributed to George Washington in order to be relevant, I got no response. Dumbasses.

There is a book written that maybe 5 years ago - and sadly can’t recall the title or maybe it was a magazine article - that talked about how the evangelical right became really threatened by how the founding fathers were portrayed as either deists or men of no faith etc and that spurred them to come up with counter arguments against this since evangelicals have made it out to seem the founders were like Old Testament types. I think they freaked out that the treaty with the Barbary pirates stated the USA was not a Christian nation and they came up with explanations why that treaty said that (somehow a mistranslation from Arabic, etc even though the treaty was written in English first).

14 aagcobb  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:58:07am

Hey, we can play this game as well! “Prosperity can only be secured by reducing the level of taxation on the job creators and liberating the people from their dependence on government.”-Adolph Hitler, 1932

15 calochortus  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:41:41am

“Liberty teeth”? “Liberty teeth”??? Hahahahaha… How did I come to miss that little gem?

16 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 8:47:08am

re: #15 calochortus

“Liberty teeth”? “Liberty teeth”??? Hahahahaha… How did I come to miss that little gem?

17 calochortus  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 9:27:22am

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

Much better!

18 euphgeek  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 10:35:15am

“Most quotes found on the internet are fake.” —Abraham Lincoln

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 12:22:44pm
20 cuzIsaidso  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 12:28:51pm

The linked article, “Fake Quotes attributed to Mark Twain,” is reasonable, but the comments are a teabagger circle jerk.

21 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 12:44:33pm

re: #20 cuzIsaidso

Welcome, hatchling.

22 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 4:41:26am

GAH.

23 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 7:07:09am

Teh Derp never ends.


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