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1 Locker  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 3:08:25pm

More from Think Progress on this issue:

thinkprogress.org

2 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 19, 2013 7:03:33pm

I applaud both Philadelphia magazine and Think Progress for dealing with this issue in a honest and fair-minded way. Usually when you see an article that starts with “Being White” it is either the produce of academic-left “Whiteness Studies” or fascist-right White Nationalism. This piece is neither, and it is most welcome.

Thank you for this, Locker.

3 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 6:34:04am

It was a lame article that didn’t do anything to promote a discussion of race. All it did was promote the idea that white people are so afraid of black people that they can’t talk about them. I think the editor decided to play Karl Rove game of attacking the attacker. Does the mayor of a city with 43% black people have no right to comment on a story about race relations in his city? Did any of you know just how white the staff of Philadelphia Magazine is? The editotrial board is 100% white. The article has some stuff about white students who worry about living in bad neighborhoods near colleges. It never occurs to the author that the black students who live in those neighborhoods are also afraid of crime. I used to work in a bad neighborhood, where you had to be afraid of the white people. Is there a difference? When asked if he would have done anything differently, he answered that he would have pointed out that there are many middle class black people and even professional black people who live in Philadelphia.

4 Flounder  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 6:46:11am

re: #3 SteveMcGazi

Good job at proving Locker’s point.

5 Locker  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 6:47:49am

Ok so you are here discussing race and the first thing you say is

lame article that didn’t do anything to promote a discussion of race

So I guess you’ve disproven your own opening statement, just by making a response to this thread.

Did it ever occur to you that it’s ok to write an article from the perspective of a white person? Did it ever occur to you that it’s ok for someone to share their experience without going out of their way to apologize for it? Did you even read the article.. because if you did you’d know the “whiteness” of the editorial staff is included?

Is it a crime to be white? Is it a crime to describe your experience? Is it a crime to say “I was mugged by someone black” when you really were mugged by someone black?

Yea, I didn’t think so.

6 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 9:43:48am

re: #5 Locker

There’s a difference between a conversation and a sililoquy. Instead of a discussion you just wound up with a bunch of recriminations, based on an article that writes about the projections made by some (not even a representative sample) white people. Granted, I will have to re-read the article. Sometimes, when I read a piece of crap, it’s hard to maintain focus through the whole thing.

You roll over and play the victim like a trueTeabagger. I don’t remember anybody saying anything about committing the “crime” of mentioning black people.

7 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 10:16:56am

OK, I re-read the article. It’s still lame. Asking white people who live in or near bad neighborhoods with lots of black people in them is not a discussion about race. It would be like me or my employees worrying about the bad white kids, especially the addicts in Kensington, except that wouldn’t be a racial discussion because we are white too. We have the same fears of the white people here that the white people in the article have about black people in their neighborhoods.
Was there any reference to white people who work with black people who have a different world view? When the author says “Nobody, through all this, said a word about race. At least not publicly,” he doesn’t make a point. He doesn’t say that any of his respondents spoke off the record, therefore the fact that nobody said a word about race only means that nobody said a word about race. The author emphasizes the young black drug dealer but doesn’t notice that the drug dealer thinks young white people are his customers. It’s sort of like blaming women for prostitution.

8 Locker  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 10:36:04am

Ok so two of your three posts were based on… I don’t know what since you didn’t actually read the article. Your third posts seems to be filled with complaints about what the author didn’t ask or didn’t write about.
Why does he have to do a bunch of extra shit just to make you happy?

If you want to write an article about black and white people working together or about whites being afraid of whites or anything else then do it. Criticizing somone for not asking the questions you want asked or not covering what you want covered is… lame.

It’s an article about about one white person’s experiences and his interviews with a few others about their own experiences. Why is this not ok?

Answer the question.

9 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 10:52:14am

re: #8 Locker

Ok so two of your three posts were based on… I don’t know what since you didn’t actually read the article. Your third posts seems to be filled with complaints about what the author didn’t ask or didn’t write about.
Why does he have to do a bunch of extra shit just to make you happy?

If you want to write an article about black and white people working together or about whites being afraid of whites or anything else then do it. Criticizing somone for not asking the questions you want asked or not covering what you want covered is… lame.

It’s an article about about one white person’s experiences and his interviews with a few others about their own experiences. Why is this not ok?

Answer the question.

First, the writer does have to do extra shit to make me happy. He has to write an article that makes sense. That’s not so much to ask, especially from a pro. If I turned in a paper like that in class I would be lucky to get a C. Most likely the teacher would have me rewrite.
I am perfectly entitled to criticize the article. I don’t understand why you think any article, or any piece of work should be beyond criticism. I did not pose any questions for the author to answer. The author tried to answer some sort of question, but it is impossible to determine what the point of the article is. It is left to the reader to try to determine the point of the article. If it was to start a discussion of race, it was a poor effort, because instead of discussing race, he discusses stereotypes. Instead of addressing the dreaded unspoken race comments, all he could do was say that nobody mentioned race while they were talking about black people.
So you demand an answer to your question. It is not ok because the author expressly claims his article is about “Being White in Philly”. There is so much more to being white in Philly than encounters between white people and the scary black people that live near them.
Now I have a question for you, and it is only because these are your words. Whoever said it was a crime to say I was mugged by somebody black, or to describe your experience, or even to be white?

10 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 11:01:27am

BTW, I am alive today because I am white. Once upon a time, during a period of extreme rage and despair, I went after a policeman. I walked right up to him and pulled him out of his police car and started threatening him, trying to get him to put me out of my misery. He did not shoot me. He should have. It almost cost him, or at least somebody, his life. I took his gun and in the eternity that I held that gun, somehow I recovered in time and asked myself what the hell I was doing. I can’t pretend to tell you what I might have done, I was so completely out of control. It all happened in a split second but we were both that close to tragedy and if I weren’t white, it would certainly have ended differently.

11 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 2:05:46pm

Are you going to return the courtesy?

12 SteveMcGazi  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 9:47:09pm

Guess not.

13 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 9:26:50am

I thought the original article was pretty poorly-thought-out.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 23, 2013 1:03:00pm

re: #13 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I thought the original article was pretty poorly-thought-out.

Well, it’s true it wasn’t well-structured. But it was still a breath of fresh air because of its good amount of sincerity and its lack of ideological ax-grinding.


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