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1 Oggie Ben Doggie  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 11:22:08am

That is disappointing.

2 Destro  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 11:38:23am

Is eating crow kosher?

3 sagehen  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 11:52:13am

If Obama can’t make Bibi stop expanding settlements, he can at least force him to make a phone call that has to taste like chewing on glass.

4 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 12:20:44pm

I will say this: this has been one great week for PM Erdogan. First the PKK cease-fire and now this.

This is Erdogan’s ringtone. I decided:

5 Local Media Monitor  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 1:18:51pm

It’s about time

6 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 2:08:47pm

re: #1 Oggie Ben Doggie

No, it isn’t. Turkey is an important ally (or at least, non-enemy) for Israel to have, and if things are ever going to move forward in the Middle East, these are the kinds of diplomatic gestures that will help.

7 kmg  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 4:35:47pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Do the diplomatic gestures ever get to go Israel’s way?

If the soldiers weren’t viciously attacked there wouldn’t have been any deaths. Maybe Turkey should have apologized allowing this flotilla of extremists and their useful idiots to have left port.

8 What's in the box, Jokey?!  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 4:42:25pm

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

This is Erdogan’s ringtone. I decided:

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Erdogan won’t be walking on sunshine anytime soon - he invested a great deal of personal effort to attack Israel, before, during and after the Marmara flotilla events out of personal/inter-political reasons, and was willing to do so at the expense of numerous Turkish interests, including strategic regional ones that were and are important to the country. The whole thing cost the country hundreds of millions from losing tourism (Israeli tourism to Turkey was massive before it all and something they came to rely on for years), the cancellation of civilian and defense deals and more.
In the end, all Erdogan has to show for everything is a weak-as-hell apology and relatively trivial compensation to some of the families, despite demanding a great deal more from Israel in order to restore the relations between the country.
Given the timing (just as Obama is in the neighborhood) and other regional developments, this very much seems to be something that Erdogan was forced to accept (he certainly didn’t accept it when offered basically the same thing a couple of years back).
It hints at quite a few possibilities for potential developments in the region, and can certainly be considered a signal aimed at the general direction of Iran; If Israeli bombers were to be launched for an attack on the Iranian nuclear facilities, the ideal option would involve flying through Turkish airspace, which Turkey would need to approve. With relations restored, the possibility of such Turkish approval (backed by US pressure and coordination) becomes greater.
As it is, most of the people i’ve spoken to here view Erdogan as the loser from this all, and are all agreeing on one thing - there’s something far bigger at work here, and it probably won’t be that long a time before it comes into play.

9 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 7:00:28pm

re: #7 kmg

Do the diplomatic gestures ever get to go Israel’s way?

If the soldiers weren’t viciously attacked there wouldn’t have been any deaths. Maybe Turkey should have apologized allowing this flotilla of extremists and their useful idiots to have left port.

Israel’s own investigation showed that there were “operational errors,” and that’s what Netanyahu apologized for.

10 Oggie Ben Doggie  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 7:30:24pm

Charles, the men who died on board the Marmara were members of the IHH, an Islamist organization that lionizes the perpetrators of Beslan school massacre, and whose activities are corrosive to the rule of law in Turkey. Even before attacking the IDF, they had committed mutiny on the high seas by seizing the captain and crew of the Marmara and locking them below decks to prepare for a melee against the IDF. Any “apology” for killing them is lamentable. That said, Erdogan’s acceptance of this apology is itself a concession, sincce it does not come with any loosening of the Gaza blockade, and THAT, however, is very good news.

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 7:42:47pm

The American right wing continues being even more intransigent than Israel’s leaders.

12 Oggie Ben Doggie  Fri, Mar 22, 2013 7:59:06pm

American, yes. Right wing, no. Add my concern on this issue has a lot more to do with the prospect of an emboldened IHH assisting with yet more carnage in the Caucasus than with anything else. Dagestan and Chechnia aren’t making news today but they remain a battleground between Russian style secular kleptocrats versus Islamists, ever ready to produce yet more miserable headlines.

13 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 23, 2013 1:11:28pm

re: #2 Destro

Is eating crow kosher?

No, it isn’t. Crows are scavengers, and are never kosher.


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