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1 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 2:05:13pm

Obama, she argues, has not only weakened America, he wants to weaken America’s world standing in the same way he wants to shrink its economy (“there is no longer a question of whether this was his intent”). He wants to “pre-emptively disarm the United States.”

I wish it was true, self speaking of course. But it’s not.

But seriously, shrinking the American military presence abroad is a good thing.

2 Aligarr  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 3:13:06pm

The fruit dont fall too far from the tree .

3 theheat  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 3:18:43pm

Live for years with one of the most infamous GOP rabble-rousers, and some of the crazy and bullshit is bound to rub off on you. It’s not like there’s a vaccine or anything for it.

4 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 4:14:16pm

re: #1 Destro

Only because you fantasize about Bonsians getting raped.

I want to shift where our military is located, but that is about it.

5 palomino  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 4:33:41pm

re: #4 ProBosniaLiberal

Only because you fantasize about Bonsians getting raped.

I want to shift where our military is located, but that is about it.

Really, you want to keep on spending a trillion a year so the US can have an insanely large military footprint all over the planet?

Couldn’t at least some of these resources be better spent on other programs (like things actually inside the US) or deficit reduction?

6 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:04:31pm

re: #5 palomino

I would like to withdraw from the Persian Gulf and most of the Middle East.

However, we should stay in the Balkans. We don’t know when Serbia will re-start their persecution of the Bosnians and Albanians. The onus is on them to prove they won’t. Until then, we stay. Not to mention, I would rather not have the US go isolationist again.

We need to be smarter with our military. There are enough projects that should be cancelled because of bloat. Like the F-35. Or the DDX and the Littoral Combat Ship. Many of the current procurement projects could actually damage the military, for more than what we currently have.

7 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:08:34pm

re: #4 ProBosniaLiberal

re: #5 palomino

Someone tell ‘ProBosniaLiberal’ about the over 3,000 rapes a year inside the US military, the rapes by American soldiers of locals outside of military bases (pick a country, like South Korea, Japan), the rapes of Iraqis and Afghans by Americans and the sex slave trade of women outside western/American military bases in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Oh, wait, I just did tell him. You can google any one of these assertions on your own, ‘ProBosniaLiberal’.

Case in point: guardian.co.uk how Balkan peacekeepers turned a blind eye to kidnapping, torture and rape. But these abuses still go on

I guess I am dealing with a low information poster here.

8 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:13:51pm

re: #6 ProBosniaLiberal

I would like to withdraw from the Persian Gulf and most of the Middle East.

However, we should stay in the Balkans.

So you want to withdraw from where the USA has economic and other vital interests to protect a European backwater without any importance to the safety or economic interests of the USA and in fact being present there causes problems with and antagonizes Russia, who we need to cooperate with on geopolitical issues and who has all those nukes.

My, you are bright one aren’t you?

9 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 5:36:26pm

re: #7 Destro

re: #5 palomino

Someone tell ‘ProBosniaLiberal’ about the over 3,000 rapes a year inside the US military, the rapes by American soldiers of locals outside of military bases (pick a country, like South Korea, Japan), the rapes of Iraqis and Afghans by Americans and the sex slave trade of women outside western/American military bases in Bosnia and Kosovo.

Oh, wait, I just did tell him. You can google any one of these assertions on your own, ‘ProBosniaLiberal’.

Case in point: guardian.co.uk how Balkan peacekeepers turned a blind eye to kidnapping, torture and rape. But these abuses still go on

I guess I am dealing with a low information poster here.

Are we the only military in the world. How about some European nations?

10 Destro  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 7:39:21pm

re: #9 Iwouldprefernotto

Are we the only military in the world. How about some European nations?

Exactly.

11 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 8:11:00pm

re: #6 ProBosniaLiberal

I would like to withdraw from the Persian Gulf and most of the Middle East.

However, we should stay in the Balkans. We don’t know when Serbia will re-start their persecution of the Bosnians and Albanians. The onus is on them to prove they won’t. Until then, we stay. Not to mention, I would rather not have the US go isolationist again.

We need to be smarter with our military. There are enough projects that should be cancelled because of bloat. Like the F-35. Or the DDX and the Littoral Combat Ship. Many of the current procurement projects could actually damage the military, for more than what we currently have.

Given the need to retire the Oliver Hazzard Perry class of frigates, we need the Littoral Combat Ship; it cannot be dispensed with and its worked out most of its problems.

The F-35 is something we should buy if it can work properly.

The DDX became the DDG1000 and only 4 will be built. That program has already stopped, save only the completion of the hulls already laid down.

12 aagcobb  Fri, Mar 29, 2013 9:55:08pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

I’d like to know what you like about Liz Cheney’s op ed, so you saw fit to downding me.

13 alinuxguru  Sat, Mar 30, 2013 7:26:37am

re: #9 Iwouldprefernotto

Are we the only military in the world. How about some European nations?

One thing we have learned in the 20th Century is that we cannot leave the Germans unsupervised for any length of time.

14 Destro  Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:35:38am

re: #13 alinuxguru

One thing we have learned in the 20th Century is that we cannot leave the Germans unsupervised for any length of time.

That’s what Russia is for.

15 Aligarr  Sat, Mar 30, 2013 8:42:57am

Forget the Balkans , let’em duke it out.Serbia has somewhat of a conscience these days , if not, let the UN sort it out sans the US .

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Mar 30, 2013 9:56:23am

She’s considering a senate run next year, that probably has a lot to do with this


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