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1 KTPN1563  Wed, Apr 3, 2013 2:21:04pm

Just a rebuttal from the gun rights side, but you have to be careful with the cars comparison. If guns are to be treated like cars, then:

1) There would be no background checks
2) There would be no requirement for registration or insurance unless using it on public grounds (you don’t need insurance or registration for a vehicle if it’s just sitting in your garage)
3) Insurance and registration would be state-by-state
4) A license to operate granted in one state would be useable in all states.

Also remember that one doesn’t have a right to a car like they do firearms. On the issue of so-called “assault weapons” and “assault rifles” there are assault rifles, which are rifles that fire an intermediate power cartridge (less powerful than a full-power rifle cartridge but more powerful than a pistol cartridge) and have automatic-fire capability. The manufacture of such weapons has been outlawed since 1986 and the sale of ones made pre-1986 is highly regulated.

By contrast, “assault weapon” is a strictly political term that was made up by bureaucrats. It goes solely by the cosmetics of the weapon and has nothing to do with its function. Any gun can be labeled as an “assault weapon.” In Dianne Feinstein’s new AWB, most common handguns are labeled as “assault weapons.”

Now when gun manufacturers have made such firearms with no such features, the gun control people claimed that they were exploiting “loopholes” or making cosmetic changes to the gun. There were no loopholes being exploited. For it to be a loophole would mean that there must be something unique about the weapon that makes it where even without those features, it is still a weapon that should be banned. Otherwise, all that was done is to make the weapon where it is not an “assault weapon.”

The law defines “assault weapon” as one way, so the manufacturer makes it where it is not legally considered an “assault weapon.” If there really is something unique about the weapon that makes it a weapon that, even without the features, is something people shouldn’t own, then this begs the question of, why isn’t the weapon banned based on that unique feature as opposed to the cosmetics? The reason of course is that there is no such unique feature. What get labeled as “assault weapons” are ultimately just scary-looking guns that are functionally no different than other, much more ho-hum-looking guns one can buy.

Regarding this term “high-capacity magazine” another term made up by politicians. The only reason ten rounds is considered the standard is because a group of politicians arbitrarily decided that anything over ten rounds should be labeled as “high capacity.” That is the only reason. The reality is that most hand guns and many rifles have had standard capacity magazines ranging from 15 to 20 to 30 rounds for many decades. What these politicians want to do is limit people to reduced-capacity magazines.

Now, if there is no “need” for people to have standard-capacity magazines, then why do the police use them? The assumption is that the police are better-trained than the civilian. So the logic is that the better-trained police officer, who can get on the radio and call for backup immediately, is fine to use standard-capacity magazines and weapons like AR-15s even if they need to when dealing with criminals, but the single mother who is defending her children is supposed to get by with only ten rounds or less in the gun and no weapon like an AR-15. Why? Because a group of bureaucrats sitting in Washington (or a state capital) decided that that is all she “needs.”

As for why a civilian might need more than ten rounds, it’s for the same reason the police officer might. One could miss, one might be dealing with multiple criminals, one might have to shoot the person multiple times to get them to stop coming, especially if the criminal is high on a drug, etc…an example is the Georgia mother who shot the guy five times and he didn’t die, but instead ran out of the house.

2 KTPN1563  Wed, Apr 3, 2013 2:24:37pm

Also just wanted to add, but the fear of the insurance idea from gun rights people is that it would be used as a stealth way to essentially price gun ownership for the ordinary person out of existence. There are politicians very bent on outlawing guns in any way that they can. There are not politicians bent on outlawing cars, or at least not in the way many want to outlaw guns.

For progressives reading, think of it this way. If a pro-life conservative brings up the subject of enacting “reasonable” restrictions on abortion, immediately a red flag goes up, simply because many pro-choice people will suspect that by “reasonable restrictions,” the conservative means a stealth way to mostly outlaw abortions.

Some examples could be the attempts to make it almost impossible for Planned Parenthoods and so forth to operate in the state (the gun equivalent of this would be in attempts to drive gun manufaturers out of business).

3 wrenchwench  Wed, Apr 3, 2013 3:02:23pm

re: #2 KTPN1563

Also just wanted to add, but the fear of the insurance idea from gun rights people is that it would be used as a stealth way to essentially price gun ownership for the ordinary person out of existence. There are politicians very bent on outlawing guns in any way that they can. There are not politicians bent on outlawing cars, or at least not in the way many want to outlaw guns.

For progressives reading, think of it this way. If a pro-life conservative brings up the subject of enacting “reasonable” restrictions on abortion, immediately a red flag goes up, simply because many pro-choice people will suspect that by “reasonable restrictions,” the conservative means a stealth way to mostly outlaw abortions.

Some examples could be the attempts to make it almost impossible for Planned Parenthoods and so forth to operate in the state (the gun equivalent of this would be in attempts to drive gun manufaturers out of business).

Analogies always have their shortcomings. Since I know more about abortion laws than gun laws, I’m going to point out the shortcomings in your analogy.

a red flag goes up, simply because many pro-choice people will suspect that by “reasonable restrictions,” the conservative means a stealth way to mostly outlaw abortions.

We don’t have to ‘suspect’, and there is nothing ‘stealth’ about the intentions of conservatives to outlaw abortions. In some cases, the word ‘mostly’ doesn’t even apply.

Some examples could be the attempts to make it almost impossible for Planned Parenthoods and so forth to operate in the state

There have been successes, not just ‘attempts’ to make it impossible, not ‘almost’ impossible, for providers of abortions to operate in some states.


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