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1 #CPAC: I Have A Short Mingle Stick.THANKS OBAMA.  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 8:46:38pm

Well it sure is a good thing there are Jews in this world, otherwise who would people heap all their blame, ignorance and anger on?

I just don’t know what to say any more about $#!t like this.

2 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 8:49:03pm

How did this fucking douche get to become a “recognized expert on Polish-Jewish relations”? BY WHOM?

3 #CPAC: I Have A Short Mingle Stick.THANKS OBAMA.  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 9:13:30pm

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

I thought the same thing! Their bar for ‘expert’ in Poland must be set pretty low!

4 LWNJ  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 10:46:10pm

I have no words.

5 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:21:10pm

Vicious Babushka,

I don’t know what’s more offensive, the antisemitic bigots who deny the Holocaust took place or the ones who blame it on the Jews.

6 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 11:23:13pm

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

I have no idea. But this is something that truly makes me doubt that he deserves the designation to say the least.

7 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 2:35:28am

The sad truth here in Europe is that the further east you go, the stronger the anti-Semitism gets. Polish culture is still deeply anti-Semitic, even though it percolates below the surface.

Every so often, it bubbles up to the top, as we can see by this despicable example.

8 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:50:35am

Another variation of this is the Poles claim THEY WERE THE VICTIMS of the Holocaust, killed by Teh Juice and their German minions.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 6:00:33am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Another variation of this is the Poles claim THEY WERE THE VICTIMS of the Holocaust, killed by Teh Juice and their German minions.

Well, that just isn’t true, said that way. Poles were not the target of Hitler’s ‘Final Solution’, and should not claim they were.

But the Poles were subject to brutal persecutions, and thousands of non-Jewish Poles were murdered at Auschwitz. Then at the end of the war those Poles still in Poland were handed over to Stalin, who further brutalized them, while those who had fought for the Western Allies found themselves facing the horrid choice to either go to the US and likely never see their families again, or return home and possibly be sent to the GULAG.

So while Poland needs to cease its indulgence of anti-Semitic fantasies, other nations should include more in their history lessons about how Poland suffered in WWII.

10 Ace-o-aces  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:51:20am

As a descendant of Polish Jews, I was always amazed how my parents and grandparents seemed much more bitter and angry at the Poles than the Germans. It was if they felt the Poles betrayed their own countrymen and willingly went along with the genocide. And to be honest, if you look at the utter destruction of Polish Jewry I can see where they are coming from. From a population of over 3 million Polish Jews before WWII (and the cultural center of European Jewry) to a few thousand today.

11 sffilk  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:19:07am

My maternal grandfather was Polish. Just to show how wrong this “person” is, my grandfather had to escape to the US when he was “drafted” into the Polish military because he knew that his fellow countrymen would kill him rather than allow him to serve because he was Jewish.

12 jc717  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 8:46:18am

re: #7 Dr Lizardo

The sad truth here in Europe is that the further east you go, the stronger the anti-Semitism gets. Polish culture is still deeply anti-Semitic, even though it percolates below the surface.

Every so often, it bubbles up to the top, as we can see by this despicable example.

Utter nonsense. That over 3 million jews lived in Poland before WWII was not an accident. It was a country where they enjoyed a better life than in other areas. I’ve had numerous business dealings in Poland and have visited the country many times. The place is not anti-semitic.

This ‘expert’ is obviously a jackass, but judging a country based on Jackasses would be like other countries judging us by the words and actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Over 6 million poles died in WW2; around half that number were Polish Jews.

13 lawhawk  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 9:22:17am

re: #1 #CPAC: I Have A Short Mingle Stick.THANKS OBAMA.

Well it sure is a good thing there are Jews in this world, otherwise who would people heap all their blame, ignorance and anger on?

I just don’t know what to say any more about $#!t like this.

They’d have to invent Joos, just to find someone to blame. As it is, Jews are such a small percentage of global population, and yet we’re blamed for everything…

14 LWNJ  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 10:09:37am

re: #12 jc717

Utter nonsense. That over 3 million jews lived in Poland before WWII was not an accident. It was a country where they enjoyed a better life than in other areas. I’ve had numerous business dealings in Poland and have visited the country many times. The place is not anti-semitic.

This ‘expert’ is obviously a jackass, but judging a country based on Jackasses would be like other countries judging us by the words and actions of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Over 6 million poles died in WW2; around half that number were Polish Jews.

It was a place where they enjoyed a better life… up to the seventeenth century. Then massive pogroms put an end to all that, but of course there were still a lot of Jews in the country, rejected (at least) by their Christian neighbors and massively ill-treated by the Polish government (or such government as there was). They couldn’t really leave, if only because they were so poor — and where would they go, anyway? Who would have them?

(Obviously, this history of Polish Jews in four sentences could be elaborated a bit, but the notion that Poles “aren’t anti-Semitic” is nonsense, as is the idea that Jews weren’t singled out for special treatment by the Nazis, even though they also persecuted Slavs.)

15 jc717  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 11:15:11am

re: #14 LWNJ

It was a place where they enjoyed a better life… up to the seventeenth century. Then massive pogroms put an end to all that, but of course there were still a lot of Jews in the country, rejected (at least) by their Christian neighbors and massively ill-treated by the Polish government (or such government as there was). They couldn’t really leave, if only because they were so poor — and where would they go, anyway? Who would have them?

You mean until Poland was partitioned between Russia, Prussia, and Austria and effectively ceased to exist?

Took about 2 minutes of Googling to find the relevant information…

From the Wiki article on the history of Jews in Poland…
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The history of the Jews in Poland dates back over a millennium.[4] For centuries, Poland was home to the largest and most significant Jewish community in the world. Poland was the centre of Jewish culture thanks to a long period of statutory religious tolerance and social autonomy. This ended with the Partitions of Poland which began in 1772, in particular, with the discrimination and persecution of Jews in the Russian Empire. During World War II there was a nearly complete genocidal destruction of the Polish Jewish community by Nazi Germany, during the 1939–1945 German occupation of Poland and the ensuing Holocaust. Since the fall of communism there has been a Jewish revival in Poland, characterized by the annual Jewish Culture Festival, new study programmes at Polish high schools and universities, the work of synagogues such as the Nozyk, and the Museum of the History of Polish Jews.

From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 through to the early years of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.[5] Known as paradisus Iudaeorum (Latin for “Paradise for the Jews”), it became a shelter for persecuted and expelled European Jewish communities and the home to the world’s largest Jewish community of the time. According to some sources, about three-quarters of all Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[6][7][8] With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland’s traditional tolerance[9] began to wane from the 17th century onward.[10] After the partitions of Poland in 1795 and the destruction of Poland as a sovereign state, Polish Jews were subject to the laws of the partitioning powers, the increasingly antisemitic Russian Empire,[11] as well as Austro-Hungary and Kingdom of Prussia (later a part of the German Empire)
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At the start of World War II, Poland was partitioned between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union (see: Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). The war resulted in the death of one-fifth of the Polish population, with 90% or about 3 million of Polish Jewry killed along with approximately 3 million Polish non-Jews.[13] Although the Holocaust occurred largely in German occupied Poland there was little collaboration with the Nazis by her citizens. Collaboration by individual Poles has been described as smaller than in other occupied countries.[14][15] Statistics of the Israeli War Crimes Commission indicate that less than 0.1% of Polish gentiles collaborated with the Nazis.[16] Examples of Polish gentile attitudes to German atrocities varied widely, from actively risking death in order to save Jewish lives,[17] and passive refusal to inform on them; to indifference, blackmail,[18] and in extreme cases, participation in pogroms such as the Jedwabne massacre. Grouped by nationality, Poles represent the largest number of people who rescued Jews during the Holocaust.[19][20] ….
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But of course it’s easier to just keep repeating ‘known facts’.

16 LWNJ  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 11:34:36am

re: #15 jc717

With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland’s traditional tolerance[9] began to wane from the 17th century onward.[10]

As I said.

But of course it’s easier to just keep repeating ‘known facts’.

Same to you.

17 jc717  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 2:02:05pm

re: #16 LWNJ

As I said.

Same to you.

You left out the part that the ‘massive Pogroms’ were carried out after the partitions of Poland by the governments of Russia (mostly), Prussia, and Austria-Hungry. Misleading at best.

18 LWNJ  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 5:56:55pm

Sigh. Poles have been protesting their absolute innocence from antisemitism for a long time, and this is more of the same. Have fun with your illusions — I’m out of here.

19 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 7:01:14pm

re: #18 LWNJ

Unfortunately such illusions are not harmless. People have to first accept that a problem exists before they can fix it.


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