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1 alinuxguru  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:02:31am

With all due respect, The article highlights the Presidents post-political activities and does not address any perceived flaws in his presidency. It is a stretch of the imagination to suggest that he is the “worst ex-president” as there are many notable laureates that are capable of earning that designation.

Reagan’s deregulation that resulted in the collapse of the Federal Savings and Loan Corporation and junk bonds, along with deficit spending could easily qualify as “worst ex president” as well as George Jrs. putting two wars on a credit card. Carter’s Presidential career is more marked for it being unremarkable at all. Carter was more of a seat warmer than anything else.

2 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:28:22am

Perhaps I could have been a bit more precise as I was referring to his “post Presidency” actions and not necessarily his policies as President. So a more apt tem might have been to call him the worst “former President.” Either way, he has demonstrated a moral compass badly in need of calibration at the very least.

3 stabby  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:04:19am

Most presidents in my lifetime have been widely called “the worst president in history”

If you want to be considered serious you have to avoid this sort of hyperbole.

5 Slap  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:57:41am
But if this opportunity is used to expose some of Carter’s connections and ask him to explain them, I will feel much better about this.

We’ll be sure to let them know that.

Pretentious much?

6 Destro  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:25:42pm

Carter’s economy was no better or worse than Reagan’s (GDP = Jimmy Carter, 3.2% vs Ronald Reagan, 3.5%). Carter lost soldiers in the Middle East just like Reagan. Carter created a lasting peace in the Middle East between Israel and Egypt), Reagan armed Saddam’s Iraq, Iran and the groups in Afghanistan that later became al-Qaeda.

If there was a god Thatcher is burning in hell right now next to Reagan.

7 Dr. Matt  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:36:54pm

re: #6 Destro

Carter’s economy was no better or worse than Reagan’s (GDP = Jimmy Carter, 3.2% vs Ronald Reagan, 3.5%). Carter lost soldiers in the Middle East just like Reagan. Carter created a lasting peace in the Middle East between Israel and Egypt), Reagan armed Saddam’s Iraq, Iran and the groups in Afghanistan that later became al-Qaeda.

If there was a god Thatcher is burning in hell right now next to Reagan.

And, let us not forget….Ronny Raygun not only TALKED to our enemies (the Iranians), but sold them arms, armed a terrorist network (Hezbollah), negotiated with terrorists for the release of hostages, and armed other terrorists (the Contras). This combined with the amazing triple header of selling arms simultaneously to all three of Iraq, Iran, and Israel, made St. Raygun the gold medal champion of rhetorical and moral gymnastics.

But hey, Raygun’s rhetoric about how “government is evil” was dead-on accurate….He PROVED it!

8 Destro  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:47:19pm

re: #7 Dr. Matt

I think I mentioned all that and added the military and monetary help Reagan gave in creating what would one day be known as al-Qaeda. But for some reason Republicans want that asshole’s face on Mount Everest.

9 EiMitch  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 3:41:43pm

IMO, Jimmy Carter became a much better leader after he left the oval office. Of course, that wasn’t a high bar to set. Then again, neither was the Reaganator’s administration.

10 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 6:58:17pm

re: #2 _RememberTonyC

Perhaps I could have been a bit more precise as I was referring to his “post Presidency” actions and not necessarily his policies as President. So a more apt tem might have been to call him the worst “former President.” Either way, he has demonstrated a moral compass badly in need of calibration at the very least.

Quite Concur.

11 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:37:53pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

Yes. Absolutely. How dreadfully uncalibrated must your moral compass be when you go and do something like this? 9_9

Guinea worm disease on the way out

Back in 1947, the Guinea worm infected some 50 million people around the world. Thanks to the work of the World Health Organization and the United Nations, the numbers were brought down to 3.5 million by 1986. And thanks to the tireless humanitarian work by former US President Jimmy Carter, in 2012 there were only 542 cases reported in the whole world. The overwhelming majority, 521, was in South Sudan, with the remainder in Ethiopia and Mali.

Image: guinea-worm.jpg

12 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:50:33pm

Jimmy Carter is an odious and bitter little man. Nobody is 100% good or bad, so while his good deeds can be praised, his many awful decisions and hateful statements tend to be ignored by many on this board. I will not do it and there are a handful of others (albeit a dwindling number in this forum) who agree. Carter’s legacy as President is one of abject failure. I’m glad he has helped build houses for poor people, but his antisemitic rhetoric and total sellout to Saudi Arabian interests is sickening and beneath the office he once held. His moral compass is warped beyond repair. He was only elected because Watergate made a Republican unelectable in 1976 and he was rightly tossed out on his keester after his one miserable term in office.

13 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:54:18pm

A post like this makes me wish my dingers worked. (what’s so funny?) Moral compass? DO you twits even know what a moral compass is? The guy has travelled the world building houses, supervising elections, and you criticize his moral compass? Maybe he could have bitten his tongue a few times, but those are political issues, and the man’s entitled to his opinion, even if you disagree. And wasn’t he right about the Iraq war?

14 Mattand  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:54:47pm

re: #12 _RememberTonyC

Jimmy Carter is an odious and bitter little man. Nobody is 100% good or bad, so while his good deeds can be praised, his many awful decisions and hateful statements tend to be ignored by many on this board. I will not do it and there are a handful of others (albeit a dwindling number in this forum) who agree. Carter’s legacy as President is one of abject failure. I’m glad he has helped build houses for poor people, but his antisemitic rhetoric and total sellout to Saudi Arabian interests is sickening and beneath the office he once held. His moral compass is warped beyond repair. He was only elected because Watergate made a Republican unelectable in 1976 and he was rightly tossed out on his keester after his one miserable term in office.

So that “How to Write for Fox News” course is working out pretty good for you, huh?

15 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 8:56:23pm

re: #12 _RememberTonyC

Jimmy Carter is an odious and bitter little man. Nobody is 100% good or bad, so while his good deeds can be praised, his many awful decisions and hateful statements tend to be ignored by many on this board. I will not do it and there are a handful of others (albeit a dwindling number in this forum) who agree. Carter’s legacy as President is one of abject failure. I’m glad he has helped build houses for poor people, but his antisemitic rhetoric and total sellout to Saudi Arabian interests is sickening and beneath the office he once held. His moral compass is warped beyond repair. He was only elected because Watergate made a Republican unelectable in 1976 and he was rightly tossed out on his keester after his one miserable term in office.

He was also elected, perhaps more than due to Watergate, because his Southern background allowed him to neutralize the “Southern Strategy”. In 1976, many in the South did not want to vote for a Republican, they wanted to vote for a socially conservative Democrat and Carter’s campaign was designed to get them to see him as just that. That he turned out to be more socially liberal than his billing in turn was part of the reason the South abandoned him in 1980 (the exception being his home state of Georgia).

16 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:09:12pm

re: #11 Interesting Times

In my mind, he burned his credit for that when he wrote Peace, Not Apartheid. Good social works cannot compensate for propagating the Palestinian Big Lie comparing Israel to South Africa in the bad old days.

17 Destro  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:30:10pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

It is very clear that Carter stated that Israel holding onto the West Bank and through creeping annexation would mean that one day the Palestinians living there would be the akin to an apartheid state. If a 2 state solution does not happen, that is indeed the course set and only propagandated fools like you refuse to see this or try to obfuscate this.

18 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:35:53pm

Given the utter evil committed by Reagan & both Bushes, I can only laugh my ass off at the ignorance of trying to use Carter’s very real flaws as being somehow greater than than the incompetent ones.

Reagan should have died in prison for “high crimes and misdemeanors”

Bush jr. should have been hanged for treason.

Carter was not much better but he never betrayed the nation as they did, first with Iran-Contra and then with the needless Gulf 2 war.

Sometimes it’s really that simple.

19 _RememberTonyC  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:41:06pm

It saddens me very much that carter is held to such low standards by so many Lizards. When did he publicly condemn the atrocities in Syria, or castigate a TRUE apartheid state like Saudi Arabia? How about condemning truly bad actors like North Korea or Iran? Yes folks, his moral compass is completely warped. And those of you who think he is some shining beacon need your own “check up from the neck up.” And with that I bid you adieu.

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:42:58pm

Tony - just grow up, `kay? Stop pretending you give a rats ass for anyone other than yourself.

21 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:51:25pm

re: #18 William Barnett-Lewis

Treason only means going to war against the US if an American citizen or adhering to our enemies. You may not like the Iraq War, but it was not treason in any way.

As for Reagan, it was never proven that he did anything illegal relating to Iran-Contra, and ultimately, as Bob Woodward reported, the special prosecutor assigned to delve into the scandal said that he didn’t think Reagan was dirty.

Downding for extreme hyperbole, in defiance of the facts.

22 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:57:41pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

Treason only means going to war against the US if an American citizen or adhering to our enemies. You may not like the Iraq War, but it was not treason in any way.

As for Reagan, it was never proven that he did anything illegal relating to Iran-Contra, and ultimately, as Bob Woodward reported, the special prosecutor assigned to delve into the scandal said that he didn’t think Reagan was dirty.

Downding for extreme hyperbole, in defiance of the facts.

I meant what I said. He actively acted against the our nations’s interests in time of war. Even by the constitution that is treason. There was never a valid reason to go to war in Iraq.

None.

He committed treason when he took the nation into his war of choice.

23 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 9:58:56pm

re: #17 Destro

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The troll says what?

24 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:00:55pm

If you’re going to compare Carter and Reagan for actions that injured the United States well after their Presidencies ended, I give you one factoid:

It was Ronald Reagan who held the door open wide for the Southern Strategy folks, the far-right religious groups, as well as neo-fascists like Pat Buchanan and the John Birch Society. Not to mention the AGW science denialists, and economic policy nutballs like Grover Norquist.

Almost all of the bad-craziness that is at the heart of the Republican Party today can be placed squarely at the feet of Ronald Reagan.

25 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:01:37pm

re: #22 William Barnett-Lewis

No, it isn’t. Treason requires active hostility, which wasn’t present. And George W. Bush saw Operation Iraqi Freedon as being in the nation’s best interest by getting rid of Saddam Hussein and replacing the Baath regime with a friendlier government. You can call that wrong, but it is NOT treason.

26 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:02:44pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

The troll says what?

We disagree, sometimes harshly, but that troll needs to be slapped into silence.

27 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:05:27pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

No, it isn’t. Treason requires active hostility, which wasn’t present. And George W. Bush saw Operation Iraqi Freedon as being in the nation’s best interest by getting rid of Saddam Hussein and replacing the Baath regime with a friendlier government. You can call that wrong, but it is NOT treason.

As I said, I do view it as being actively hostile. I realize we disagree on this & I’ll leave it behind now, but I do, really, believe GWB committed treason.

28 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:06:53pm

re: #26 William Barnett-Lewis

We disagree, sometimes harshly, but that troll needs to be slapped into silence.

Indeed, sir. Between you and I it can get fierce, but its never personal and we but work hard to keep things civil. Destro enjoys making personal attacks and flinging insults, thus showing himself as a troll.

29 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:08:01pm

re: #27 William Barnett-Lewis

As I said, I do view it as being actively hostile. I realize we disagree on this & I’ll leave it behind now, but I do, really, believe GWB committed treason.

I will likewise set it aside. Your honor does you credit as always.

30 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:09:53pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

Indeed, sir. Between you and I it can get fierce, but its never personal and we but work hard to keep things civil. Destro enjoys making personal attacks and flinging insults, thus showing himself as a troll.

Amen. I’d rather fight with you than agree with him. It’s more honest and honorable than anything he has to offer. Thank you, sir.

31 palomino  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 3:15:58am

re: #13 SteveMcGazi

A post like this makes me wish my dingers worked. (what’s so funny?) Moral compass? DO you twits even know what a moral compass is? The guy has travelled the world building houses, supervising elections, and you criticize his moral compass? Maybe he could have bitten his tongue a few times, but those are political issues, and the man’s entitled to his opinion, even if you disagree. And wasn’t he right about the Iraq war?

No, a REAL former president should go home, take up a hobby like painting, and never say another word (not that his party minds now, they’ve basically written him out of their history anyway).

As for being in bed with the Saudis, the Bushes surely rate up there with Carter. So let’s at least be fair and call them all traitors, if that’s the metric we’re going to use to judge former presidents.

OK, Carter was a shitty president, but he didn’t cluelessly start the two longest wars in US history, and the dogshit economy he presided over was a paradise compared to the nearly unprecedented disaster Bush left in his wake.

32 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 8:47:44am

Two lizards enter, one lizard leaves.

33 Varek Raith  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 8:57:15am

Dark_Falcon, jogiff, NJDhockeyfan, rosiee, sliv_the_eli _RememberTonyC,

So where does selling weapons to our enemies land on your moral compasses?

34 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 9:28:45am

re: #33 Varek Raith

Dark_Falcon, jogiff, NJDhockeyfan, rosiee, sliv_the_eli _RememberTonyC,

So where does selling weapons to our enemies land on your moral compasses?

Depends on situation of who is receiving them and who they fighting against. For example I am totally against giving them to terrorists. Why do you ask?


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