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1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 6:07:15pm

Paisley’s song is directed at a fair sized part of the Southern white community who is still not over the Civil War. His daddy never voted Republican because it was the Yankees party and the party of Lincoln. He has a rebel flag and is mystified at anyone white or black who sees it as a symbol of bigotry and sees no contradiction between flying the Stars and Bars and the Stars and Stripes. He calls the war the War of Northern Aggression or the War Between the States. He can tell you alot about the battles of the war but he honestly doesn’t understand the realities of the war. Honestly, I don’t know what bothers me more, Paisley’s attitude or LL Cool J who has a ridiculously stupid lyric in the song about dropping the opposition to metal chains in exchange for forgetting slavery.

2 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 7:22:26pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Still, I think some understanding has to be extended. Paisley is like many white Southerners: He was raised to be proud of his heritage and he wishes to go on being proud. He much prefers cognitive dissonance to feeling shamed by the past.

3 Aligarr  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 8:10:30pm

It’s all bullshit , everyone move on . The Civil war was over Slavery -period .It was disguised as States Rights , but it was over slavery . Slavery was wrong . All those who were fucked over are DEAD . All those who did the original fucking over are DEAD . There is no reconcilliation because you cant reconcile anything with the DEAD.
There are white racists and black racists . Racists are racists .The only “heritage ” there is , is that we all came from somewhere else , save for Native Americans . They even came here from somewhere else and if they fucked over anyone already here , history of it is non-existent . So they were here first . They got fucked over by those who came here after they did . Again , all involved in that are long DEAD .

4 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 8:10:37pm

A friend of mine visited Spain recently. Her tour guide told her not to discuss either The Inquisition (Yes, that Inquisition) or Franco. I noted to her we never discuss our treatment of native Americans.

People really don’t like to remember the evil that they and the group they belong to did.

5 aagcobb  Wed, Apr 10, 2013 9:53:50pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Paisley’s song is directed at a fair sized part of the Southern white community who is still not over the Civil War. His daddy never voted Republican because it was the Yankees party and the party of Lincoln. He has a rebel flag and is mystified at anyone white or black who sees it as a symbol of bigotry and sees no contradiction between flying the Stars and Bars and the Stars and Stripes. He calls the war the War of Northern Aggression or the War Between the States. He can tell you alot about the battles of the war but he honestly doesn’t understand the realities of the war. Honestly, I don’t know what bothers me more, Paisley’s attitude or LL Cool J who has a ridiculously stupid lyric in the song about dropping the opposition to metal chains in exchange for forgetting slavery.

The recent history of the Stars and Bars is that it was brought back to prominence by segregationists in the fifties and sixties, so the notion its just about “heritage” and not racism is nonsense.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:29:19am

I ran across this quote on a Civil War history site and really appreciate the sentiment:


“I am a Southerner by birth and a Rebel by choice. As I read and study, I pull for Lee, Jackson, and Longstreet. As I live, I thank Grant, Lincoln, and Democracy.”

7 Haywood Jabloeme  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:09:18pm

I made the subtitle and the lead-in sentence to start the conversation regarding being proud of ones heritage while deploring certain aspects of that same heritage. There is much to be proud of in modern German history as well as much to deplore about the Nazi portion of that history.

I can’t imagine anyone rationally defending a German who wrote a song about a new Nazi wearing an Iron Cross into a Synagogue. Tell me ONE reason why the Confederate Flag isn’t MORALLY equivalent the the Iron Cross. Sure, Lee and many others fought under that flag but many non German Military officers also fought for the Nazi Regime. Does fighting for a repugnant cause make one gallant or worthy of respect?

WWII was fought for many reasons but ONE of the results was that SLAVERY and a GENOCIDE as PERPETRATED. Likewise, the US Civil War was fought for many reason but ONE of the results was that SLAVERY and GENOCIDE was EXTENDED. Every soldier who died in that war, no matter his beliefs and intentions, died EXTENDING SLAVERY AND GENOCIDE.

How can anyone deny those facts?


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