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1 rosiee  Sun, Apr 28, 2013 8:32:26pm

Ads in English? Wonder who this is for, Saudis, or those outside looking in?

2 Jayleia  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 5:49:23am

re: #1 rosiee

Digging a little deeper…you find this page

Iunno, maybe I need my eyes checked, but it doesn’t look like english to me.

3 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 6:10:29am
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but I haven’t seen this around anywhere. And while I often try to tread lightly on issues concerning my Saudi hosts…I do have to tell you here that there is a trend in the Kingdom to come up with public service and HR related “campaigns” that boil down to nothing more than brochures and signs. We see this a lot in the healthcare and education field here, huge advertisements, lots of talk and nobody actually in an office or on the street doing anything for the “campaign”.

“digging deep” eh? this was on the front page of the comments, also the poster of this seems to be a propaganda mouthpiece for Palestinian groups. Not sure if she’s really all that interested in objectivity.

4 Jayleia  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 7:33:16am

The possibility that you raised in your second reply is entirely possible…however since there are arabic ads, a site in arabic, etc, the possibility that you raised in the first reply doesn’t seem so likely.

Besides, its basically the same ad, maybe 2 minutes work to make an english language version.

5 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 8:30:07am

re: #4 Jayleia

>Pro-Palestinian Activist
>Says nothing about women’s rights being trampled in Gaza
typical cognitive dissonance

How life has changed for women in Gaza - Guardian 2012

6 Jayleia  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 8:46:30am

re: #5 rosiee

And how does that relate to your implication that the ad campaign is all for western public consumption?

7 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 8:53:35am

re: #6 Jayleia

>how does a pro-Hamas blogger relate to Saudi Arabia’s propaganda machine
I don’t know just interesting that she would care so much about Saudi Arabia’s image to have posted this blog, meanwhile, transgressions against women’s rights go unabated, as the commentator said, little is done but much is said.

8 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:00:23am

re: #6 Jayleia

The woman shills for authoritarian Islamist states.

9 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:32:35am

Another thread about something positive gets hijacked. This is turning into a pattern.

10 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:33:19am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Propaganda is positive?
I don’t know how you can call empty rhetoric positive.
I want real results for Muslim women. People who swallow this uncritically are setting back women’s rights by not maintaining scepticism.

11 antpogo  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:33:41am

re: #8 rosiee

The woman shills for authoritarian Islamist states.

Again, how is that relevant to the Saudi campaign (other than, you know, being a blatant ad hominem)?

I, for instance, first heard about it this morning from Musawah (a group that’s solely dedicated to women’s rights all across the Muslim world), who retweeted Shaista Gohir’s tweet about it.

12 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:44:20am

re: #3 rosiee

Why do you have to come in here and shit all over every page that says something positive about Muslims?

How would you like it if someone did that on every page that was posted about Jews?

13 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:45:28am

re: #9 CuriousLurker
re: #11 antpogo

That’s awesome, I hope I’m wrong, that this isn’t just empty rhetoric.That this will mean real change. I always thought that Saudi women should go on strike, or something similar.

14 antpogo  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:47:46am

re: #10 rosiee

I want real results for Muslim women.

Then perhaps you would like to help out Musawah, who are doing exactly that. Or perhaps one of the many other similar groups working towards the same goal.

(EDIT: For Saudi Arabia, you might want to check out this page at Women Living Under Muslim Laws, one of the numerous groups linked to at the Musawah page above.)

15 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:48:47am

re: #10 rosiee

Propaganda is positive?

Is your threadjacking positive? Last week you took a positive article about Canadian Muslims and tried to make it about anti-Semitism.

Now you’re taking this one and trying to make it about the Israeli-Palestinian issue and authoritarian Islamic states.

You’re not fooling anyone.

16 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:50:02am

re: #10 rosiee

Propaganda is positive?
I don’t know how you can call empty rhetoric positive.
I want real results for Muslim women. People who swallow this uncritically are setting back women’s rights by not maintaining scepticism.

TRANSLATION FROM ROSIEE TO ENGLISH:

I WANT TO SEE MUSLIM WOMEN RIP OFF THEIR HIJABS AND GIVE UP ISLAM!!11!!

17 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:51:13am

re: #13 rosiee

That’s awesome, I hope I’m wrong, that this isn’t just empty rhetoric.That this will mean real change. I always thought that Saudi women should go on strike, or something similar.

Oh, I see. This is all about your concern for Saudi women.

Puhleeze.

18 rosiee  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 9:53:37am

re: #15 CuriousLurker

The problem facing Muslim women yearning to be free is the states, not the religion.

19 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 10:10:27am

re: #18 rosiee

The problem facing Muslim women yearning to be free is the states, not the religion.

Your concern is noted.

I’ll be waiting to see how many Pages you post about this issue that’s of such great importance to you, especially since you haven’t posted a single one in the 4+ months you’ve been here.

Oh, except for the one today about female reporters being allowed in male locker rooms, which is clearly an issue of burning importance where women’s rights are concerned. //

20 antpogo  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 10:21:18am

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Oh, except for the one today about female reporters being allowed in male locker rooms, which is clearly an issue of burning importance where women’s rights are concerned. //

“Rabble-rousing feminists”, hmmm? Like these ones?

21 Jayleia  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 10:45:37am

re: #13 rosiee

You have a beef with Vicious Babushka…don’t pretend its more than that.

22 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 10:46:24am

re: #21 Jayleia

You have a beef with Vicious Babushka…don’t pretend its more than that.

It’s got nothing to do with me, she doesn’t like Muslims.

23 Jayleia  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 10:52:54am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Ah, so rosiee just has a beef with reality.

Unfortunately, I rarely read the comment threads here, so I usually don’t know who’s having meltdowns or why :-)

24 klys  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 12:16:31pm

I did spend a little bit last night wondering what justification anyone could have to downding a page that was anti-domestic violence. Although given the ID of the dinger, I did figure the fact that it was related to Muslims had something to do with it.

25 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 12:43:45pm

re: #5 rosiee

>Pro-Palestinian Activist
>Says nothing about women’s rights being trampled in Gaza
typical cognitive dissonance

How life has changed for women in Gaza - Guardian 2012

What are you talking about, “says nothing about women’s rights being trampled in Gaza?” Did you even read the article you posted?

Quote:

Violence against women has reached alarming levels. A December 2011 study by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, PCBS, revealed that 51% of all married women in Gaza had experienced violence from their husbands in the previous 12 months.

Two thirds (65%) of women surveyed by the PCBS said they preferred to keep silent about violence in the home. Less than 1% said they would seek help. Mona, my 22-year-old interpreter, is astonished when I later ask what support there is for women such as Eman. “If her husband, or in fact anyone in the family, knew she had talked about this, she’d be beaten or killed. As for places for a woman to run to safety, I don’t know of any.”

The entire article is about women’s rights being trampled in Gaza. I don’t know which article you read, but it doesn’t seem to be the one you linked.

26 antpogo  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 1:52:11pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

The entire article is about women’s rights being trampled in Gaza. I don’t know which article you read, but it doesn’t seem to be the one you linked.

rosiee seemed to be saying that because the author of the PolicyMic blog entry is “pro-Palestinian” but didn’t say anything about the deterioration of women’s rights in Gaza since Hamas took power, that she’s being a hypocrite (despite the fact that the blog entry isn’t about Palestine, Gaza, or Hamas, but only Saudi Arabia).

Apparently “Palestinians” and “Hamas” are just two different terms for the exact same group, so that if you say you’re supporting the former that means you automatically also support everything the latter does.

27 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 29, 2013 4:11:52pm

re: #26 antpogo

Well, it wasn’t very clear but if rosiee meant the original article, it’s an equally silly comment. This article is about a Saudi campaign for women’s rights. It’s not about Gaza or Palestinians. Why is she obligated to say something about women’s rights in Gaza in this article?

Bah. The prejudice is very obvious in either case.


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