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1 alinuxguru  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:31:07am

This is why I am ambivalent to the Dalai Lama and the Free Tibet movement, which is “Free Tibet to become the gentrified state that it once was and the Dalai Lamas privileged status before China”.

2 calochortus  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:56:07am

According to Mark Jurgensmeyer in Terror in the Mind of God there is in fact some acceptance of terrorism in Buddhism. While the religion generally embraces peace, even Buddhists can rationalize violence. Apparently they’re human just like the rest of us.

3 philosophus invidius  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:08:52am

re: #2 calochortus

“pacifism teaches people to make no distinction between the shedding of innocent blood and the shedding of any human blood. And in this way pacifism has corrupted enormous numbers of people who will not act according to its tenets. They become convinced that a number of things are wicked which are not; hence seeing no way of avoiding wickedness, they set no limits to it. ” —Elizabeth Anscombe, War and Murder

Source (pdf): philpapers.org

4 LWNJ  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:27:24pm

re: #1 alinuxguru

This is why I am ambivalent to the Dalai Lama and the Free Tibet movement, which is “Free Tibet to become the gentrified state that it once was and the Dalai Lamas privileged status before China”.

Actually, the Dalai Lama has said that he wouldn’t want to return to the status he had before the Chinese came, just because it was a feudal society.

I’m ambivalent too, but I still prefer self-imposed tyranny to tyranny imposed from the outside — though only just.

5 stabby  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:49:18pm

I haven’t read the article but I’d point out that this is Myanmar, a regime that has always been extremely brutal, Buddhist or not.

6 Locker  Thu, May 2, 2013 3:14:38pm

re: #2 calochortus

Don’t give a fuck what that dude says… there is NO acceptance of terrorism in Buddhism. Zero. Now there may be some people calling themselves Buddhists who accept using terrorism as a tool but it’s damn sure not coming from the religion itself.

7 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 2, 2013 3:37:29pm

re: #2 calochortus

Apparently they’re human just like the rest of us.

This. And as I’ve pointed out before people often do not latch on to a belief to guide them to better lives. They latch on to them to be dicks to other human beings.

Their beliefs aren’t guidelines, but excuses.

8 calochortus  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:32:24pm

re: #6 Locker

Don’t give a fuck what that dude says… there is NO acceptance of terrorism in Buddhism. Zero. Now there may be some people calling themselves Buddhists who accept using terrorism as a tool but it’s damn sure not coming from the religion itself.

So they’re not true Scotsman, as it were?
It is uncommon, but they are nonetheless using Buddhism in the same way others use Christianity, Islam, Judaism and for all I know, Druidism to justify their actions.

9 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:40:40pm

re: #8 calochortus

So they’re not true Scotsman, as it were?
It is uncommon, but they are nonetheless using Buddhism in the same way others use Christianity, Islam, Judaism and for all I know, Druidism to justify their actions.

Hey if you keep saying things like that me and a bunch of my Druid friends are going to drop a big rock on your house…. Then maybe a few more rocks to create a nice ambience around the whole place.

10 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 3:14:39am

re: #6 Locker

Buddhists, historically, fought gigantic bloody sectarian wars. Just like other religions.

11 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 8:31:07am

re: #9 jamesfirecat

See? Druids do it too!!!! ;)

12 Locker  Fri, May 3, 2013 3:50:57pm

You guys can deliberately misunderstand me all you want but there isn’t any jihad in the Buddhist religion. Non-violence is a core tenant. Ahimsa.

13 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, May 4, 2013 7:05:30am

re: #12 Locker

You guys can deliberately misunderstand me all you want but there isn’t any jihad in the Buddhist religion. Non-violence is a core tenant. Ahimsa.

I’d say that’s incredibly important if you’re a theologian, or a follower deciding the right course of action, but irrelevant if you’re looking at the historical or current behavior of Buddhists. It’s exactly equivalent to the sort of reasoning that makes people insist that Christianity is inherently peaceful because of Christ’s teaching and example, and inherently violent because of Mohammed’s—and that the actual, obvious, evident, historical fact of really goddamn violent Christianity is therefore unimportant.

14 antpogo  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:39:37am

re: #12 Locker

You guys can deliberately misunderstand me all you want but there isn’t any jihad in the Buddhist religion. Non-violence is a core tenant. Ahimsa.

Ahimsa is a tenet in Hinduism, too (as famously promoted by Gandhi himself). That still doesn’t stop there from being plenty of Hindu-motivated violence, both past and present.


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