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1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:52:58pm

1. ‘Uprising’ is a very bad choice of words. It was a recall election pushed by unions and left-wing activists that the Democrats lost. In point of fact, unlimited fundraising in recall elections in Wisconsin predated Citizen’s United by more than a decade.

2. I don’t consider David Koch’s actions to be ‘censorship’, as he had no legal power to block the documentary. But PBS had accepted money from him, and a good bit of it. If you offend the man who is giving you money, he will likely give you no more. It was perfectly reasonable for Mr. Koch to let PBS know that he wasn’t going to continue funding them if they produced a documentary attacking him and his brother.

2 EiMitch  Tue, May 21, 2013 12:32:25am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I’m not touching #1, but #2 shows you missed a crucial bit of context. So I’ll repeat it:

“People like the Kochs have worked for decades to undermine public funding for institutions like PBS,” Deal told the Center for Media and Democracy. “When public dollars dry up, private dollars come in to make up for the shortfall.”

Special interests fight to strip public institutions of tax funding, then fill the void with their own checks.

Why?

Why not just pay their taxes in the first place, rather than fight to cut taxes and government spending?

Control, thats why. If its tax revenue, you don’t have any say in how its spent.* But when you directly fund an organization, you have the option to stop paying.

The plug being pulled on that documentary is technically not censorship. By definition, only the government can censor. But for all intents and purposes, it is censorship.

Special interests now control PBS. Its public in name only.

* - Don’t give me any crap about “elections.” Those things are gerrymandered, and you know it.

3 dragonath  Tue, May 21, 2013 6:46:43am

The Koch Foundation did what William Randolph Heart himself could not do.

Not a great day for the integrity of public media.

4 Interesting Times  Tue, May 21, 2013 8:59:00am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Can’t downding this gilded-age-defending drivel hard enough. As for what’s happened, just goes to show old media of all kinds is nothing more than corporatist garbage.

5 Mesohornish  Tue, May 21, 2013 2:47:06pm

*Comment Blocked by the Koch Brothers*

6 EPR-radar  Tue, May 21, 2013 2:57:51pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

1. ‘Uprising’ is a very bad choice of words. It was a recall election pushed by unions and left-wing activists that the Democrats lost. In point of fact, unlimited fundraising in recall elections in Wisconsin predated Citizen’s United by more than a decade.

2. I don’t consider David Koch’s actions to be ‘censorship’, as he had no legal power to block the documentary. But PBS had accepted money from him, and a good bit of it. If you offend the man who is giving you money, he will likely give you no more. It was perfectly reasonable for Mr. Koch to let PBS know that he wasn’t going to continue funding them if they produced a documentary attacking him and his brother.

The wholehearted embrace of the golden rule in #2 here (he who has the gold makes the rules) is troubling, given the concentration of wealth we are seeing in the US.

If this form of the golden rule is accepted, on what basis does one argue against straight-up plutocracy in the US?

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 21, 2013 6:54:14pm

re: #2 EiMitch

I’m not touching #1, but #2 shows you missed a crucial bit of context. So I’ll repeat it:

Special interests fight to strip public institutions of tax funding, then fill the void with their own checks.

Why?

Why not just pay their taxes in the first place, rather than fight to cut taxes and government spending?

Control, thats why. If its tax revenue, you don’t have any say in how its spent.* But when you directly fund an organization, you have the option to stop paying.

The plug being pulled on that documentary is technically not censorship. By definition, only the government can censor. But for all intents and purposes, it is censorship.

Special interests now control PBS. Its public in name only.

* - Don’t give me any crap about “elections.” Those things are gerrymandered, and you know it.

Bluntly put, I’ve got no problem with David Koch exercising that control if its his damn money. I’d rather he controlled it if he earned it, as opposed to it being taken in taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil, but a government funded radio and TV network is not necessary. Thus I prefer a donor controlled PBS to one funded by taxes. A good case can be made for using tax monies to build a highway or dam, but not to pay for television programs.

8 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 21, 2013 7:44:43pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And this is where I down-ding. Because of this.

Most other nations have state TV.

9 EiMitch  Tue, May 21, 2013 8:53:27pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Bluntly put, I’ve got no problem with David Koch exercising that control if its his damn money. I’d rather he controlled it if he earned it, as opposed to it being taken in taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil, but a government funded radio and TV network is not necessary. Thus I prefer a donor controlled PBS to one funded by taxes. A good case can be made for using tax monies to build a highway or dam, but not to pay for television programs.

I am unable to decide between three different responses to this. So, in no particular order:

a - “Unnecessary? As opposed to Doritos tacos and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo and the latest Superman reboot?”

b - “How can anyone dismiss Mister Rogers and all he believed in as unnecessary and still call himself an American with a straight face?”

c - “Hello? Anybody home? Think Mcfly, think! That special interests can kill documentaries criticizing them proves that we do need a media organization free of corporate strings.”

Which of these three arguments did you think was best?


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