Pages

Jump to bottom

9 comments

1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:52:58pm

1. ‘Uprising’ is a very bad choice of words. It was a recall election pushed by unions and left-wing activists that the Democrats lost. In point of fact, unlimited fundraising in recall elections in Wisconsin predated Citizen’s United by more than a decade.

2. I don’t consider David Koch’s actions to be ‘censorship’, as he had no legal power to block the documentary. But PBS had accepted money from him, and a good bit of it. If you offend the man who is giving you money, he will likely give you no more. It was perfectly reasonable for Mr. Koch to let PBS know that he wasn’t going to continue funding them if they produced a documentary attacking him and his brother.

2 EiMitch  Tue, May 21, 2013 12:32:25am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I’m not touching #1, but #2 shows you missed a crucial bit of context. So I’ll repeat it:

“People like the Kochs have worked for decades to undermine public funding for institutions like PBS,” Deal told the Center for Media and Democracy. “When public dollars dry up, private dollars come in to make up for the shortfall.”

Special interests fight to strip public institutions of tax funding, then fill the void with their own checks.

Why?

Why not just pay their taxes in the first place, rather than fight to cut taxes and government spending?

Control, thats why. If its tax revenue, you don’t have any say in how its spent.* But when you directly fund an organization, you have the option to stop paying.

The plug being pulled on that documentary is technically not censorship. By definition, only the government can censor. But for all intents and purposes, it is censorship.

Special interests now control PBS. Its public in name only.

* - Don’t give me any crap about “elections.” Those things are gerrymandered, and you know it.

3 dragonath  Tue, May 21, 2013 6:46:43am

The Koch Foundation did what William Randolph Heart himself could not do.

Not a great day for the integrity of public media.

4 Interesting Times  Tue, May 21, 2013 8:59:00am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Can’t downding this gilded-age-defending drivel hard enough. As for what’s happened, just goes to show old media of all kinds is nothing more than corporatist garbage.

5 Mesohornish  Tue, May 21, 2013 2:47:06pm

*Comment Blocked by the Koch Brothers*

6 EPR-radar  Tue, May 21, 2013 2:57:51pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

1. ‘Uprising’ is a very bad choice of words. It was a recall election pushed by unions and left-wing activists that the Democrats lost. In point of fact, unlimited fundraising in recall elections in Wisconsin predated Citizen’s United by more than a decade.

2. I don’t consider David Koch’s actions to be ‘censorship’, as he had no legal power to block the documentary. But PBS had accepted money from him, and a good bit of it. If you offend the man who is giving you money, he will likely give you no more. It was perfectly reasonable for Mr. Koch to let PBS know that he wasn’t going to continue funding them if they produced a documentary attacking him and his brother.

The wholehearted embrace of the golden rule in #2 here (he who has the gold makes the rules) is troubling, given the concentration of wealth we are seeing in the US.

If this form of the golden rule is accepted, on what basis does one argue against straight-up plutocracy in the US?

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 21, 2013 6:54:14pm

re: #2 EiMitch

I’m not touching #1, but #2 shows you missed a crucial bit of context. So I’ll repeat it:

Special interests fight to strip public institutions of tax funding, then fill the void with their own checks.

Why?

Why not just pay their taxes in the first place, rather than fight to cut taxes and government spending?

Control, thats why. If its tax revenue, you don’t have any say in how its spent.* But when you directly fund an organization, you have the option to stop paying.

The plug being pulled on that documentary is technically not censorship. By definition, only the government can censor. But for all intents and purposes, it is censorship.

Special interests now control PBS. Its public in name only.

* - Don’t give me any crap about “elections.” Those things are gerrymandered, and you know it.

Bluntly put, I’ve got no problem with David Koch exercising that control if its his damn money. I’d rather he controlled it if he earned it, as opposed to it being taken in taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil, but a government funded radio and TV network is not necessary. Thus I prefer a donor controlled PBS to one funded by taxes. A good case can be made for using tax monies to build a highway or dam, but not to pay for television programs.

8 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 21, 2013 7:44:43pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And this is where I down-ding. Because of this.

Most other nations have state TV.

9 EiMitch  Tue, May 21, 2013 8:53:27pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

Bluntly put, I’ve got no problem with David Koch exercising that control if its his damn money. I’d rather he controlled it if he earned it, as opposed to it being taken in taxes. Taxes are a necessary evil, but a government funded radio and TV network is not necessary. Thus I prefer a donor controlled PBS to one funded by taxes. A good case can be made for using tax monies to build a highway or dam, but not to pay for television programs.

I am unable to decide between three different responses to this. So, in no particular order:

a - “Unnecessary? As opposed to Doritos tacos and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo and the latest Superman reboot?”

b - “How can anyone dismiss Mister Rogers and all he believed in as unnecessary and still call himself an American with a straight face?”

c - “Hello? Anybody home? Think Mcfly, think! That special interests can kill documentaries criticizing them proves that we do need a media organization free of corporate strings.”

Which of these three arguments did you think was best?


This page has been archived.
Comments are closed.

Jump to top

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
Take advantage of our yearly subscription, and save 50% off the normal subscription price! One-year ad-free subscriptions are just $59.95. Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing now and save!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form

Help support Little Green Footballs!

Subscribe now for ad-free access!

Contact Us LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.

Last updated: 2015-06-25 5:21 pm PDT

LGF User's Guide RSS Feeds
Recent Pages
Paul Canning
Obama ‘Kills It’ in Another African Speech
Whilst American media and seemingly all the Americans in my timeline are otherwise engaged, Obama is 'killing it' on his state visit to Africa. Here's South Africa's leading newspaper picking up on African Twitter. To break-outs of rapturous applause, ...

18 minutes ago
Views: 51 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 0
Thanos
Mainline Presbyterian Members Win Lawsuit Over Control of Overland Park Church
The rest of this story is that the fundamentalist groups forming these schisms and trying to take whole churches are sometimes backed by legal groups and funding from foundations that trace back to the reclusive reconstructionist billionaire, Howard Ahmanson. In ...

8 hours, 49 minutes ago
Views: 132 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Great White Snark
Huffington Post Arabic-Smart Outreach, Sure To Infuriate Bigots
Dirct Link: Huffington Post Arabic - Kudos! Good to see this. The link takes you right there, but for us non arabic readers, a helpful translate panel comes right up. You who do read arabic can judge the content, ...

1 day, 16 hours ago
Views: 499 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 17 • Rating: 1
FemNaziBitch
Sandra Bland Was Murdered -Taibbi- Rolling Stone
"In fact, when a cop pulls you over, you should have your license and registration ready, you put your hands on the steering wheel so he can see them when he arrives, and you say 'yes, sir' and 'no, ...

1 day, 17 hours ago
Views: 486 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 3
Iwouldprefernotto
More Edited PP Videos
NYT -- More Edited PP Videos in the Pipeline The activist behind the videos, David Daleiden, has said he has enough covertly recorded footage for perhaps a dozen videos that he could release, one a week, for the next few ...

1 day, 18 hours ago
Views: 289 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 2
Predaka
Swedish Right Plans Gay Pride March Through Muslim Areas Of Stockholm
haaretz.com From the article: Swedish nationalists are planning a gay 'pride' march through Muslim-majority districts in the country's capital, according to media reports and a dedicated Facebook page. The march, called 'Pride Järva,' is scheduled to take place on July ...

2 days, 7 hours ago
Views: 562 • Comments: 10
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
EiMitch
Cracked: 5 Things I Learned Committing A Campus Sexual Assault
cracked.com This is a story of sexual assault told primarily from the perpetrator's perspective, using the pseudonyms "Tim" and "Vicky" for him and his victim respectively. But this isn't the story of a predator on the prowl. No, this is ...

4 days, 8 hours ago
Views: 551 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 4 • Rating: 3
Lumberhead
#BlackLivesMatter Shows There Are Problems in American Life That Can’t Be Blamed on the Rich
Democratic presidential candidates should take heed. They need to come up with a way to speak to this issue. Otherwise, in an Obama-less election, part of the Obama coalition may not be motivated to show up. Obviously, you can be ...

6 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 411 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 2
Drive By Commenter
Standing on the corner, screaming as the cars go by….
There is a long standing belief that there is no such thing as "Bad Ink..". You get ink and the name recognition, the story, the push and pull, the NEWS! So whatever Trump is, outside of his little world he ...

1 week ago
Views: 354 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
KiTA
Remember that time Gawker doxxed every gun owner in New York City?
"Here is a list of all the assholes who own guns in New York City." From the comments section: The journal posted my address and name for my gun ownership. My past stalker saw this. I haven't heard from him ...

1 week, 4 days ago
Views: 850 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 3 • Rating: 3
 Frank says:

Help! I'm a rock!