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1 EiMitch  Wed, May 22, 2013 8:20:38pm

This is why the mouth-breathing stupid, hyper-partisan right are the only reason Obama is still in the white house. He’s not a good president. He promised transparency, and then gave us drone assassins. But twice now he has proven to be the lesser of two evils, so…

2 terraincognita  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:04:50am

droning is as droning does…have we finally become the assassins? Have become what which we seeked to defeat?

“What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? A lie. A lie and we have to be merciful [to those that lie]”. (Col Walter E. Kurtz, Apocalypse Now)

3 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:15:32am

re: #2 terraincognita

droning is as droning does…have we finally become the assassins? Have become what which we seeked to defeat?

“What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? A lie. A lie and we have to be merciful [to those that lie]”. (Col Walter E. Kurtz, Apocalypse Now)

Finally? Odd you should use that quote.

en.wikipedia.org

4 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:15:40am
Holder does not apologize for the killings, nor explain whether their deaths resulted from errant targeting, mistaken identity or another circumstance.
…the administration did “not specifically targe[t]” those three Americans

I don’t see what the big mystery is supposed to be or why this would require a lot of thought to explain.

The most likely explanation is that they were simply cases of collateral damage if you want to call it that. When striking a terrorist gathering with a drone missile you don’t generally send someone in first to ask if there happen to be any Americans present.

Perhaps if they had chosen their associates and associations more wisely they would not have been in a location that became a target.

5 Tiny alien kittens are watching you  Thu, May 23, 2013 6:29:37am
Samir ibn Zafar Khan (December 25, 1985 - September 30, 2011) was the Pakistani American editor and publisher of Inspire magazine, an English-language online magazine reported to be published by al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). A citizen of the United States, he was killed in a drone strike in Yemen while in the presence of al-Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki.
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Anwar al-Awlaki (also spelled al-Aulaqi; Arabic: أنور العولقي‎ Anwar al-‘Awlaqī; April 21, 1971 - September 30, 2011) was an American and Yemeni imam. U.S. government officials said that he was a senior talent recruiter and motivator who was involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda. With a blog, a Facebook page, the al-Qaeda magazine Inspire, and many YouTube videos, the Saudi news station Al Arabiya described him as the “bin Laden of the Internet.”
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The U.S. deployed unmanned aircraft (drones) in Yemen to search for and kill him, firing at and failing to kill him at least once, before succeeding in a fatal American drone attack in Yemen on September 30, 2011. Two weeks later, al-Awlaki’s 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen who was born in Denver, was killed by a CIA-led drone strike in Yemen.
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When Jude Kenan Mohammad was about 18 and living in Raleigh, N.C., according to people who knew him, he came under the influence of an older man, Daniel Patrick Boyd, who taught him a violent, radical version of Islam.

Mr. Boyd would be charged in 2009 and eventually imprisoned as the ringleader of a group of North Carolina residents who had vowed to carry out a violent jihad both in the United States and overseas. Mr. Mohammad was also charged, but by then, partly at the direction of Mr. Boyd, he had traveled to Pakistan, where he had joined a group of militants in that country’s tribal area.

On Wednesday, the United States government officially acknowledged for the first time what had long been rumored among his friends in Raleigh: that Mr. Mohammad was killed in a C.I.A. drone strike on a compound in South Waziristan, Pakistan, on Nov. 16, 2011.
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Yeah, just not seeing any real “oops” there, One man (Samir Khan) killed while with the only purposefully targeted American to date (Anwar al-Awlaki). The other two killed in attacks on terrorist camps in Yemen and Pakistan, it isn’t like they were just tourists over there for a vacation.

6 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 23, 2013 6:39:13am

Nor would there be much concern if these people had died under artillery fire. We could, you know, level Karachi or San’a block by block, but I don’t know if that’s a real good idea either.

I understand the interest in having a conversation around the implications and issues of the drones, but I don’t understand the apparent nostalgia for the conventional warfare of the twentieth century.

Anyone remember Band of Brothers, the young American guy who turns up as a POW in a German uniform? Parents went home so he could fight for the fatherland? If his folks were killed in the bombing of Berlin, that would have been awful extrajudicial, but then again, not likely anyone would have noticed with the other 20 to 50 thousand people being killed around them.

We could do it that way. It would be easier now. It would kind of suck horrifically.

The real issue is one we’ve been circling around for almost a dozen years now: how do you have a war between a country and an NGO?

8 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 8:40:01am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey good to see you.

how do you have a war between a country and an NGO?

I think maybe we now know how to have one, we have little idea how to win, or know if we won and it’s time to step back.

9 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 9:20:13am

BTW the next president will probably be able to “drone’ terrorists with Prompt Global Strike. Or something just as sneaky and rapid.

For prompt global strike scenarios, the military has in the past said it needs a capability to hit targets anywhere around the world with just one hour’s notice.

Until now, that tall order appeared to require a state-of-the-art — and expensive — long-range weapon system, costing potentially hundreds of millions of dollars a pop. Such arms could be procured only in small number as a niche capability, one that would be used solely against the most important targets and when no other weapon platforms were available.

Those assumptions, however, are likely on the brink of major change.

Emerging from a top-level Pentagon meeting in November appears to be a mandate for the four military services to explore development of short-, medium- and long-range weapon systems for the mission, officials tell GSN. Consequently, the word “global” could soon fade from the prompt global strike moniker.

nti.org

10 Velvet Elvis  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:45pm

I guess we could put a few hundred thousand troops on the ground and have collateral damage in the thousands.

Drones seem like the cleanest way to take these people out.
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11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:38:46pm

re: #10 Velvet Elvis

I guess we could put a few hundred thousand troops on the ground and have collateral damage in the thousands.

Drones seem like the cleanest way to take these people out.
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I’m unconvinced killing these people does any actual good, but yeah, freaking out about drones is weird because it’s not like killing people is a new thing we’re doing.


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