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1 aagcobb  Sun, May 26, 2013 1:30:13pm

Obviously, no responsible person would live in a place as tornado-prone as Oklahoma. I wonder if the 2/3 of Oklahoma voters who voted for Romney will give pause now that they should realize the GOP considers all of them to be among the parasites who are dependent on government and won’t take responsibility for their own lives. Probably not.

2 Skip Intro  Sun, May 26, 2013 2:59:23pm

I think the way it works in Teabagger Land is that to make places with two Teabagger Senators whole, the rest of us have to bend over by having our services cut. Naturally, it doesn’t work that way when the afflicted place is not a province of Teabagger Land.

3 EiMitch  Mon, May 27, 2013 1:06:27am

re: #1 aagcobb

No responsible person should live someplace as hurricane prone as Florida, nor as earthquake prone as southwest California, nor as ludicrously over-priced and gentrified as New York. (and don’t get me started on Detroit)

But lots of people do. Because there are good reasons to live there which us outsiders don’t understand because all we know about these places is the negative stuff that makes headline news.

In other words, don’t be so judgmental about where people live.

As for their cocksure “go team” support for the GOP, yeah they are overdue to rethink that.

4 aagcobb  Mon, May 27, 2013 5:50:26am

re: #3 EiMitch

No responsible person should live someplace as hurricane prone as Florida, nor as earthquake prone as southwest California, nor as ludicrously over-priced and gentrified as New York. (and don’t get me started on Detroit)

But lots of people do. Because there are good reasons to live there which us outsiders don’t understand because all we know about these places is the negative stuff that makes headline news.

In other words, don’t be so judgmental about where people live.

As for their cocksure “go team” support for the GOP, yeah they are overdue to rethink that.

Sorry, I should probably have used a sarc tag. I was pointing out the implication of the comments of the Senator from Oklahoma, which are that responsible people should not live in a place as tornado-prone as Oklahoma.

5 lawhawk  Mon, May 27, 2013 6:05:00am

No, that’s not what Coburn is saying. He’s saying that Oklahomans do things differently and they don’t waste federal funds the way the Coastal Elites do - and squander billions in the process.

But let’s put this into context.

Oklahoma has had more federally declared natural disasters than any state except Texas, New York and California. The bulk have been tornadoes, severe storms, but they’ve also been wildfires, flooding and droughts.

The dollar value adds up. The state isn’t exactly the most populous, but they’ve gotten hit early and often. A billion here, a couple hundred million there, multiplied by dozens, and you’re talking real disaster aid.

When a state like NY, TX, or CA gets hit with a natural disaster, it’s likely to affect far more people in any given incident than OK. Population density does that. And if we’re talking damaged infrastructure, then getting that restored is going to take money. Lots of it. Infrastructure that a place like OK doesn’t have or need.

During Sandy NYC saw multiple subways flooded out with damage in the billions. That’s an expense that OK wouldn’t have.

Now maybe this is another backhanded slap against NY (and NJ) getting disaster aid in the billions for the damage done during Sandy, but Coburn is busy calling for offsetting cuts as if that wont have a long term effect.

If we take Coburn’s advice, then OK gets $0 for the Moore storm. Let me repeat that. The state gets nothing. The state was able to work closely with other neighboring states, they had aid come in from the rest of Oklahoma and were able to use locally available resources. The feds could have skipped things. After all, it’s just a tornado with a damage path of 40 miles (by about 2-3 miles wide). They can get over it.

That’s Coburn’s take on disaster aid.

But that distorted and warped view ignores that NY and NJ would still have needed federal assistance given the scope and nature of the damage to thousands of square miles that completely overwhelm the local and regional emergency response.

And there should be no offsets for disaster aid. Period. These are extraordinary events and aid should be forthcoming as quickly as possible. But the GOP, and Coburn and Inhofe in particular, are intent upon politicizing the disaster response.

They need to be denounced early, often, and repeated for effect.


Oh, and EiMitch, the reason that real estate in NYC is crazy priced is because so many people actually want to live there and there isn’t really a whole lot of new build-able land on which to put new supply. Rezoning would alleviate some of the problem, but NYC (or SF or Boston) all share common real estate issues - fully built out urban areas that are overpriced, but have limited supply and great demand.

6 lawhawk  Mon, May 27, 2013 6:07:34am

Maybe Coburn’s pissed that Oklahoma’s racked up more disaster declarations than any other state, but lags behind in dollar value for the disasters.

Stateline analyzed the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s database of “Public Assistance Funded Projects,’ which stretches back to August 1998. The program helps state and local governments pick up the pieces after disasters, including fixing roads, bridges, electric lines, water systems and other public structures. The federal grants cover up to 75 percent of the cost of such projects.

The program has pledged close to $807 million to Oklahoma during the period, out of about $48 billion all states have received, according to the data.

Louisiana dwarfs all other states in the amount of aid, largely because of the outsized impact of Hurricane Katrina, the costliest and one of the deadliest natural disasters in U.S. history.

Of about $13 billion in grants given to the state, at least $11 billion were tied to Katrina. The hurricane brought another $3 billion in grants to Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.

New York ranks behind Louisiana and is followed by Florida, Texas, Mississippi and Iowa. Wyoming collected the fewest dollars, about $9 million.


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