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1 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 26, 2013 8:51:42pm

I thought once the jail term was over, the, ah, jail term was over.

Nothing like putting them in position to need to commit crimes to eat to help protect society.

2 freetoken  Sun, May 26, 2013 9:16:34pm

There is a streak in American society that I’ll label “perpetual punishment” that certain people keep trying to push.

And it does seem to mix with tribalism and racism.

When I lived in Japan I noticed that even though some punishments there were severe compared to what we dole out in the US (at least for certain crimes), there was also quite a bit forgiveness.

This idea of perpetual punishment maybe is a carry over from the doctrine of Eternal Damnation?

3 calochortus  Sun, May 26, 2013 9:45:39pm

re: #1 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I thought once the jail term was over, the, ah, jail term was over.

Nothing like putting them in position to need to commit crimes to eat to help protect society.

They already have a lot of trouble finding a job since “felon” looks bad on your resumé. Heaven forbid they should be able to eat for a while during their transition to normal life.
I recently heard about a program at San Quentin (The Last Mile) to teach entrepreneurship to prisoners, the idea being that if no one else will hire you, maybe you can start your own business. Obviously not for everyone, but it seems like a good idea to help folks coming out of prison to not return to crime.

4 FemNaziBitch  Sun, May 26, 2013 10:00:06pm

re: #2 freetoken

There is a streak in American society that I’ll label “perpetual punishment” that certain people keep trying to push.

And it does seem to mix with tribalism and racism.

When I lived in Japan I noticed that even though some punishments there were severe compared to what we dole out in the US (at least for certain crimes), there was also quite a bit forgiveness.

This idea of perpetual punishment maybe is a carry over from the doctrine of Eternal Damnation?

I’m going with the Economics of Debt/Morality concept here.

5 FemNaziBitch  Sun, May 26, 2013 10:02:29pm

re: #3 calochortus

They already have a lot of trouble finding a job since “felon” looks bad on your resumé. Heaven forbid they should be able to eat for a while during their transition to normal life.
I recently heard about a program at San Quentin (The Last Mile) to teach entrepreneurship to prisoners, the idea being that if no one else will hire you, maybe you can start your own business. Obviously not for everyone, but it seems like a good idea to help folks coming out of prison to not return to crime.

It’s the only alternative for ex-cons. In reality, some really good stuff should come out of it, as those who don’t “fit” into a group are usually the best at recognizing and harnessing change —basically the type of person who will succeed in small business.

Unfortunately, it’s difficult to do when you can’t read well and can’t get enough to eat or a place to sleep. Not everyone is that guy from “Pursuit of Happyness.”

6 EiMitch  Mon, May 27, 2013 1:24:41am

re: #1 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

re: #3 calochortus

You think thats bad, try being a registered sex offender. (not that I have any firsthand knowledge. Seriously, stop staring) It doesn’t matter if you were convicted of rape or just getting drunk and unwittingly exposing yourself. Once you’re on that list, its all the same to everyone else.

People convicted of anything other than sex crimes have at least some chance of starting over. Once you’re on Megan’s list, you’re on the bottom rung of ostracizing.

This never made sense to me. If the system believes these people are still dangerous, then why let them out at all?

Oh right. They need that prison space for the next pothead bust. Priorities USA.

7 sauceruney  Mon, May 27, 2013 6:25:55am

Oh yes. How very un-Christian of you, Senator. Those end-times can’t get here soon enough for you, can they?

8 kerFuFFler  Mon, May 27, 2013 6:26:10am

This policy will make crime go up as desperate households will be forced to turn to crime to put food on the table. So, all citizens will be more likely to be mugged or burglarized.

But the upside for neo-confederates is that they’ll have an excuse to lock more (disproportionately black) people up again, and of course, business will be booming for prison owners.

It is disgusting that this is being peddled as a way to “save” tax dollars, but incarcerating folks is WAY more expensive than giving them a few coupons for food. I wonder if citizens really enjoy punishing “bad guys” so much that they will be happy to pay those new tax rates for prisons.

9 mechanic  Mon, May 27, 2013 9:00:53am

So Vitter asks for forgiveness from the world for his mistake but won’t allow it for others. The greater shame is for those legislators who are going along to get along. Do they realize the soul-destroying cost of what they are doing. Why don’t they send the drones after these “irredeemable” people and their families. It must be about the same thing in their minds. If there’s collateral damage so what.
Jesus Wept.


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