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1 Locker  Tue, Jun 4, 2013 1:54:08pm

We prosecute them so some folks can walk around with their badges of moral superiority shiny and clean.

2 EiMitch  Tue, Jun 4, 2013 3:28:35pm

I’m on the “legalize it” side, except when it comes to street pimps. Those mind rapists (who are most likely literal rapists too) deserve to be locked away until they die of old age.

Overall, treating any kind of non-violent offender as a felon is wrong.* Its not just that the record keeps people from finding decent employment like the article says. There is also the stupidity of being “surprised” that they’re thinking like hardened criminals after being forced to live with hardened criminals for years.

If you don’t agree with legalization, at least support decriminalization. The difference is that decriminalizing means attempting some kind of rehabilitation and no mandatory minimum sentence.

And yes, that should go for drugs too.

But so long as society believes in “punishment as deterrence” despite every credible study concluding that it doesn’t work, the system will remain geared to produce career criminals.

* - I make exceptions for white-collar criminals and significant environmental ravishers. Either way, when you deliberately cause harm on such a large scale, then f*** you.

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Jun 4, 2013 6:24:36pm

re: #2 EiMitch

I’m on the “legalize it” side, except when it comes to street pimps. Those mind rapists (who are most likely literal rapists too) deserve to be locked away until they die of old age.

Overall, treating any kind of non-violent offender as a felon is wrong.* Its not just that the record keeps people from finding decent employment like the article says. There is also the stupidity of being “surprised” that they’re thinking like hardened criminals after being forced to live with hardened criminals for years.

If you don’t agree with legalization, at least support decriminalization. The difference is that decriminalizing means attempting some kind of rehabilitation and no mandatory minimum sentence.

And yes, that should go for drugs too.

But so long as society believes in “punishment as deterrence” despite every credible study concluding that it doesn’t work, the system will remain geared to produce career criminals.

* - I make exceptions for white-collar criminals and significant environmental ravishers. Either way, when you deliberately cause harm on such a large scale, then f*** you.

I propose another addition to that bolded portion. People who steal significant amounts, even if non-violently, need to be imprisoned. Ditto for people who make or sell certain kinds of especially dangerous drugs (not including Cocaine or Heroin, but Meth would definately be on the list of ‘especially dangerous’).

4 EiMitch  Tue, Jun 4, 2013 10:12:14pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Your first addition is in the same ballpark as white-collar criminals, so sure.

About the second, I should’ve been more specific. By “drugs” I was talking about the addicts, not the dealers.

As for meth in particular, just making the stuff is extraordinarily dangerous, nevermind using it. I’d wager it would be relatively safer to smuggle cocaine than to cook meth. Someone had to be out of their mind in order to invent the stuff. My point being: wtf.

PS - Wow, did I digress from the original topic or what?

5 kerFuFFler  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 9:14:31am

It seems to me that if you want to discourage prostitution, you should decriminalize it for the sex workers, but have the “johns” and pimps face serious charges. It kind of reminds me of how our system punishes undocumented workers for working but most often gives employers a slap on the wrist.

It is so fun to punish the weak….

6 calochortus  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 4:10:49pm

re: #5 kerFuFFler

It seems to me that if you want to discourage prostitution, you should decriminalize it for the sex workers, but have the “johns” and pimps face serious charges. It kind of reminds me of how our system punishes undocumented workers for working but most often gives employers a slap on the wrist.

It is so fun to punish the weak….

QFT

Also fun to punish “them” rather than “us.” One of MADD’s great accomplishments was turning the public from identifying with the drunk driver to identifying with victims of drunk drivers.

7 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jun 5, 2013 7:35:53pm

Illinois just passed a law that changes Prostitution from a Felony to a Class C Misdemeanor. So, we are seeing changes.

Sex Workers are also eligible for services related to Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault.


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