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1 Flavia  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:18:34pm

Since prostitution is illegal in Texas, obviously, she owed him NOTHING. She was an escort; he got her time. Since prostitution is illegal, his insistence on trying to have sex was attempted rape. Since prostitution is illegal in the state of Texas, he was committing a crime in paying to have sex. This self-made illegitimate individual needs to be in jail, or, on Texas’ otherwise famous Death Row. But I guess he’s not BLACK enough, or female enough! And, yeah, that jury needs its collective head examined, too. With a shovel.

I am so angry, I can’t even see straight.

2 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:24:19pm

Um, I thought escorts were hired for their time, with no implicit agreement to have sex, the whole technicality that separates them from prostitutes / hookers / call girls.

Not to say that he would’ve been justified shooting a prostitute, just pointing out that as far as I can tell there was no theft.

This looks like another jury of primitives ruled by the just world hypothesis, blaming the victim for her victimization.

3 celticdragon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:24:35pm
But I guess he’s not BLACK enough,

Indeed.

If the shooter were an African American, he would be on Death Row right now. When you see the guy’s picture, you understand. He is a good ‘ol Bubba. Looks a bit like a younger version of Eric Ericson at Red State.

4 celticdragon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:25:00pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

Um, I thought escorts were hired for their time, with no implicit agreement to have sex, the whole technicality that separates them from prostitutes / hookers / call girls.

Not to say that he would’ve been justified shooting a prostitute, just pointing out that as far as I can tell there was no theft.

This looks like another jury of primitives ruled by the just world hypothesis, blaming the victim for her victimization.

This!

5 celticdragon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:27:25pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

150 dollars will get you nothing but a few minutes, especially with an in-call type of escort. I have no idea what he was expecting, but girls who provide sex of some sort usually start above the 300 dollar mark in most cities…and even then they stipulate that they DO NOT GUARANTEE that you will get sex. You are paying for time and nothing more.

6 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:29:49pm

Once again I am up here in Canada, looking at America and wondering, “WTF?”

7 theheat  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:30:20pm

Texas is so predictable holding women to different standards than men. In this case, a “slut’s” life was worth less than that of a man doing the stuff manly men naturally do. Because the Bible, that’s why.

8 BigPapa  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:40:41pm

re: #2 goddamnedfrank

Um, I thought escorts were hired for their time, with no implicit agreement to have sex, the whole technicality that separates them from prostitutes / hookers / call girls.

That requires nuanced understanding and some level of respect for the professional providing the (potential) service.

Something extremely rare with vile idiots in Dumbfuckistan.

My jaw is bruised from the excessive jaw dropping the last few days, but this story just makes my skin crawl.

9 celticdragon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:40:54pm

More…

Christopher Perkins, who described himself as the young woman’s manager, told the court earlier that the $150 fee did not include a guarantee of sex.

He added: ‘Lenora normally would do lap dances and hanging out. That was her thing. Her regular customers were all quiet, reserved guys and she would hang out.’

Mr Perkins had been waiting in the car outside Mr Gilbert’s Camino Real Apartments at about 4.15am when he confronted him with an assault rifle.

As he and Miss Frago sped away from the apartment, he fired the gun, with one of the bullets hitting the escort in the neck.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest that the guy creeped her out and she cut the visit early. If he was willing to run out into the street after her with an assault rifle, I would bet real money that he was broadcasting stalker/slasher signals loud enough for someone in the next county to pick up, and she knew she was in danger in his company.

10 BigPapa  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 3:53:41pm
During closing arguments Tuesday, Gilbert’s defense team conceded the shooting did occur but said the intent wasn’t to kill. Gilbert’s actions were justified, they argued, because he was trying to retrieve stolen property: the $150 he paid Frago. It became theft when she refused to have sex with him or give the money back, they said.

WHAT.THE.FUCK?

11 PeterWolf  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:27:25pm

The law used as his defense sounds totally fucking nuts in the first place.

12 EPR-radar  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:29:54pm

re: #11 PeterWolf

The law used as his defense sounds totally fucking nuts in the first place.

That’s what prosecutor discretion is for. “Law abiding citizens” = white people shooting black people.

13 dragonath  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:49:21pm

re: #9 celticdragon

More…

If he was willing to run out into the street after her with an assault rifle, I would bet real money that he was broadcasting stalker/slasher signals loud enough for someone in the next county to pick up, and she knew she was in danger in his company.

Exactly, and the jury was either too dumb or bigoted to read between the lines- and the ruling is based on his arbitrary definition of “property”. By rights, she owed him nothing more than her time!

14 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:45:03pm

So if a dealer sells someone drugs and the buyer doesn’t come up with the money the dealer gets to shoot them? What about illegal gambling debts? Does a loan shark get to shoot the borrower? A little consistency would be nice.

15 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 6:46:07pm

re: #6 Romantic Heretic

Once again I am up here in Canada, looking at America and wondering, “WTF?”

Need some room mates?

16 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:35:54pm

re: #11 PeterWolf

The law used as his defense sounds totally fucking nuts in the first place.

To explain that law further: Texas criminal law permits the use of deadly force to defend one’s property. That point law should not have swayed the jury, since the $150 was no longer Mr. Gilbert’s property. If he felt he had been cheated, his only recourse was small claims court, which would have laughed at him. In reality, it looks to me like this Gilbert fired solely from anger, and for that he ought to have gotten life.

He likely won’t escape unscathed, though, for my highlighting of the phrase “criminal law” was done for a reason: According to Texas civil law, Ezekiel Gilbert’s actions were a textbook wrongful death. Moreover, since he admitted to shooting the escort, he has no defense if her family or for that matter the man driving the car sue for wrongful death.

The prospect of Gilbert being bankrupted gives my no joy, though, for he should have been imprisoned.

17 PeterWolf  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 8:10:11pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Interesting, however the article states this..

a state law that allows people to use deadly force to recover stolen property

Not defend, recover. Are we talking about the same law?

18 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:08:56pm

This one just makes me roll my eyes.

I expect nothing shit from Texas.

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Jun 6, 2013 11:36:47pm

I take time out from punching the walls and screaming to report that my husband suggests that the origin of the law might have had to do with livestock theft in an earlier era of Texas history. Some guy is driving off your cattle in the night, or taking your horse, you get to shoot him to recover them.

Now, of course, being repurposed to allow the cold-blooded murder of lap dancers.

20 Kruk  Fri, Jun 7, 2013 3:12:53am

Wow. This guy manages to make George Zimmerman look like the epitome of reasoned and deliberative action.

21 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jun 7, 2013 5:32:02am

Because the women is worth less than $150—nice work Texas.

22 ThomasLite  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 6:25:19am

re: #17 PeterWolf

Interesting, however the article states this..

Not defend, recover. Are we talking about the same law?

Same law I believe - but it doesn’t matter.
Once he transferred that $150 to her, it ceased to be his property. He might have a claim/quasi-contract/whatever against her for repayment of said $150, but it was flat-out not his property anymore.

Failure to render promised consideration gives grounds for an action to recover payments made (at least); it doesn’t render the contract null and void.

The judgement is quite evidently wrong as a matter of law, from where I stand. Aren’t juries supposed to be triers of fact, not of law? (and this is where it shows I’m not actually trained in *common law* matters… :P so caveat to the above, I’m not actually an *American* law student but really, this stuff is elementary in any modern legal system AFAIK.)


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