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1 sagehen  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 10:26:01pm

“Blink” is the single greatest Doctor Who episode ever.

But how much of Moffat’s shortcomings as showrunner are for the reasons you’ve cited, and how much is because Sherlock is taking up a certain amount of his time and attention (plus… Sherlock requires a whole different way of thinking, maybe he has trouble switching gears).

2 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 10:34:58pm

re: #1 sagehen

Watching through Series 3 on DVD now. Blink is 3 more episodes out. I think I will be watching it tomorrow or Monday.

I will not watch it at night, as that would simply be a very, very poor idea. Though, I have already seen it as a re-run on BBC America. I agree with your praise on Blink, though Colin Baker and Queen Elizabeth II prefer another Moffat story The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances. Personally, I think they are both brilliant.

I would say the optimal solution for the next show-runner, would be to have a small group of them, 3-4 people, definitely including Mark Gatiss. Neil Gaiman would also be an interesting choice, as he would be good on the Old-Timey-Wimey-Wibbly-Wobbly nostalgia stuff.

3 steve_davis  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:35:33am

oh wow. The queen watches doctor who? That’s excellent! This might help explain why I don’t care for the Smith years that much, and actually reinforces what I said in a thread yesterday: this doctor just seems to spend too much time in overdrive, and unfortunately that, coupled with a hyperactive amy pond, just left me feeling too much like I was watching the insufferably bad Batman-Doctor Freeze movie, which I literally had to walk out of after 10 minutes because I felt like I was having some kind of reallly bad PTSD thing going on.

4 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:17:14am

re: #3 steve_davis

For me, I like energetic, so I have liked Smith a huge amount, and 11 has much less of a tendency to go messianic/sadistic then 10, though he has his moments. In terms of his companions, I do prefer Clara over Amy, namely over…issues with Amy during Series 5. Also, the fact that 11’s tendency to engage mouth before engaging brain works better with Clara, as she ends up using this to fluster him.

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Along with the fact that, like Donna, she has no issues challenging the Doctor.

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In regards to Moffat, I really don’t want him to go away completely. Doctor Who has a history of fright almost as long as the show has been around. There is a reason Behind the Sofa is a thing in the UK.

“Everyone remembers hiding behind the sofa,” journalist Sinclair McKay wrote of the programme during its thirtieth anniversary year of 1993. “Remember hiding behind the sofa every time Doctor Who came on the television?” the Daily Mirror newspaper asked its readers in a feature article two years later. In a 2006 interview with Sky News, Prince Andrew, Duke of York said that he hid from Daleks behind a Windsor Castle settee while watching Doctor Who as a child. The Economist has presented “hiding behind the sofa whenever the Daleks appear” as a British cultural institution on par with Bovril and tea-time.

Moffat is exceptional at doing this, as seen with The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in The Fireplace, and Blink, among others. I don’t know what went on in Moffat’s Childhood that he produces these things, but I want continued production of nightmares.

5 cinesimon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:47:51pm

I’d have thought that Gaiman would brush away such a suggestion without a second of thought. I love and enjoy Doctor Who - though this last season has tried my loyalty. But Gaiman’s work is beyond the vast majority of Doctor Who. It’s just on another level entirely. It would be a big step down for him.

6 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:10:38pm

re: #5 cinesimon

Gaiman has already done episodes from the series (The Doctor’s Wife and Nightmare in Silver). So we can already see some strengths and weaknesses with him. Which are actually the same thing in this case. He’s great at doing nostalgia, and going back into the background of the series. Unfortunately, as shown in Nightmare in Silver, he can miss the forest for the trees. Namely, he focused so much on making the Cybermen scary again, other things suffered. Not only that, but Gaiman might be a Shipper on Deck, considering the final line he gave the 11th in Nightmare in Silver.

Again, I think the shows problem comes down to the fact of having a single show-runner. It allows for some questionable stuff. Like Davies constant threat escalation, or Moffat’s somewhat questionable initial characterization of Amy Pond, which thankfully got better overtime. But I can’t help but feel that, between A Good Man Goes to War and Angels Take Manhattan, the show was wandering a bit, without a clear direction. Still, there were good moments in their, such as Rory’s father. And the direction Moffat took the question of who the doctor was in the Series Finale was great. Not with what his real name is, but the name he chose, the promise he wants to live up to. And the one who broke that promise. Better than the same thing that occurred at the end of the Original Series, the Cartmel Masterplan (Hi Looms!).

7 hartly  Mon, Jun 10, 2013 5:26:13am

Lord, I just can’t get away from this show. Back in the day, when I was growing up watching classic Who on PBS, practically no one in America cared about it. Now people just can’t shut up about the RTD/Moffatt travesty. It’s on Slate, in the New Yorker…I even saw a woman selling miniature TARDIS replicas at the PA Renaissance Festival last year. So, a few observations:

Classic Who is a million times better than the new series.
The Weeping Angels aren’t scary, and neither was that stupid kid wearing the gasmask.
JN-T had his flaws, but a lot of the stuff he got wrong has been repeated ad nauseum by RTD (cutesy-pooh gimmickry and guest stars) and Moffatt (endlessly recycling old monsters). He was also the last producer to score a genuine classic - Revelation of the Daleks 1985.
Blink was a merely ok story that worked mostly because David (Look at me - I’m so manic and goofy!) Tennant wasn’t in it much and Moffatt more or less decided to go easy on the sci-fi - which he’s not very good at.
Short scenes of muted emotion are much more effective than 10-minute long sobfests. During Father’s Day I remember muttering under my breath “Shut up and die already” while Rose’s dad was saying goodbye to her.

I suspect this is going to get a lot of downdings, and maybe I deserve it, but I’d much prefer if this site canned the “Dr. Who is so great!” schtick and stuck to making fun of RWNJs. That’s really what I tune in for.

8 hartly  Mon, Jun 10, 2013 5:27:15am

Oh, and it ought to get rid of showrunners entirely. Just have a producer and script editor, like the old series did.


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