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1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 11:43:19am
It is assumed, as no source or reprt has denied and numerous leaks have basically confirmed, the NSA collects all Metadata, on ALL DOMESTIC calls within the US.

Sorry, but that’s just flat wrong. This is not “confirmed” at all. In fact, it’s been specifically denied by the President. You may want to believe that they’re all lying about this, but it’s not a good idea to assume it’s true without proof.

2 Heywood Jabloeme  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:49:21pm

Charles - I trust your judgement on this but I have not seen nor did a quick google search find any refferences to Obama denying the collection of phone metadata. When we get those, I propose that we hold him to the same level of precision that we have held Greenwald.

I will find provide the links to the leaked FISA warrents authorizing the NSA to collect the Metadata from all Verizon (?) phone customers for 90 (?) days with an a date that makes it look like it is one in a rolling series.

3 Heywood Jabloeme  Fri, Jun 28, 2013 1:53:57pm

From the article

The program continued to operate for the first two years of the Obama administration but has since ended, Shawn Turner, a spokesman for the office of the director of national intelligence, said Thursday.

“The Internet metadata collection program authorized by the FISA court was discontinued in 2011 for operational and resource reasons and has not been restarted,” Mr. Turner said. “The program was discontinued by the executive branch as a result of an interagency review.”

A separate N.S.A. program that has been collecting domestic “telephony metadata” — logs of all telephone calls dialed by Americans — has continued. That program was among the first of Mr. Snowden’s revelations. It is not clear whether Internet metadata collection has continued under a different program.

I am not aware of any denials from anyone in govt that the last paragraph is not factual.


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