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1 Skip Intro  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 10:54:22am

Note that the punishment for child murder is less than that for having a legal abortion in states under control of the GOP Taliban.

They each faced up to 25 years in prison, but a judge instead ordered them to serve a month in jail every year for six years, with one parent serving every March and the other every September.

2 hambone  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:04:09pm

Once you are out of the womb. Sucks to be you seems to be the motto of the GOP Taliban.

3 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:44:59pm

From the article:

The couple’s attorneys argued that Wisconsin law protects people from being charged with child abuse if they provide spiritual treatment for a child in lieu of medical assistance. They contended the law protects parents from criminal liability to the point of creating a substantial risk of death, making it difficult to know when a situation has become so serious that parents who stay with prayer healing become criminally liable.

If true, this is a seriously messed up legal situation. My proposal would be to give no deference at all to faith healing, making it legally equivalent to taking no action at all in the face of a child’s illness.

4 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 6:24:24pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

From the article:

If true, this is a seriously messed up legal situation. My proposal would be to give no deference at all to faith healing, making it legally equivalent to taking no action at all in the face of a child’s illness.

It’s not true. The Wisconsin Supreme Court rejected the Neumanns’ lawyers arguments.

Cases normally reach a state’s supreme court because there is a question about either what a given law means or if said law violates the state or federal constitution. In this case it was the former: The lawyers for the Neumanns argued that Dale and Leilani Neumann had not violated the law and thus had been convicted improperly. The state supreme court disagreed in a 6-1 ruling:

In a 6-1 decision released Wednesday, the state Supreme Court found criminal immunity for treatment by prayer has clear limits and that the Neumanns went too far.

“The juries could reasonably find that by failing to call for medical assistance when Kara was seriously ill and in a coma-like condition for 12 to 14 hours, the parents were creating an unreasonable and substantial risk of Kara’s death, were subjectively aware of that risk, and caused her death,” Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson wrote for the majority.

Justice David Prosser, the lone dissenter, acknowledged the Neumanns’ reaction to Kara’s illness was so outside normal behavior that it’s hard for anyone to identify with them. But he maintained state law is unclear on how far immunity for prayer treatment goes.

“There were and are serious deficiencies in the law and they ought to be addressed by the legislature and the courts,” Prosser said. “Failing to acknowledge these deficiencies will not advance the long-term administration of justice.”

So while there was a dissent, a very clear majority of the court found that that the law was clear enough for the juries (the Neumanns were tried separately) to have reasonably voted to convict.

5 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 6:38:37pm

Take note that even though these parents have been convicted of killing their daughter through inaction, the State has not invalidated their marriage. This gives lie to the arguments against gay marriage and adoption as being about the importance of children and any unproved notions about gays as parents. Like all tests proposed to thwart or delay the implementation of gay marriage this was one that was never intended for straight couples to have to pass, they can literally kill their kids in the name of God and their marriage will be just as valid as it was before.


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