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1 [deleted]  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 1:19:29pm
2 chadu  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 1:41:31pm

It’s either Cuba or North Korea bankrolling this jerk. I go with the latter.

3 Randall Gross  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 2:31:01pm

re: #2 chadu

It’s that wikileaks foundation, and trust me that they are making far more for their leaders in donations than they are shelling out. It’s one of reasons they dole this stuff out in dribs and drabs, daily outrage keeps the suckers donating.

4 chadu  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 2:44:55pm

re: #3 Randall Gross

It’s that wikileaks foundation, and trust me that they are making far more for their leaders in donations than they are shelling out. It’s one of reasons they dole this stuff out in dribs and drabs, daily outrage keeps the suckers donating.

What freaking bugs me is that this info is 7 years old.

WE KNEW THIS ALREADY!

And the media is treating it like a festival.

Wikileaks has outlived its stated purpose. Now it is a rogue intelligence leaker.

5 majii  Sun, Jul 7, 2013 3:38:33pm

Snowden is in a predicament he couldn’t have imagined before he decided to saddle up with Assange, Wilileaks, and Greenwald. None of them is having to deal with what Snowden is dealing with. All of them have a relatively safe place to lay their heads while Snowden is confined to an airport hotel/motel in Moscow, and they all have countries they can call “home.” I can imagine that he’s thought 1,000 times about why he decided to cast his lot with this group of persons. Looking back in hindsight does him no good now.

6 Heywood Jabloeme  Mon, Jul 8, 2013 8:21:16am

And what an evil person he is. He forced Obama to (euphemistically) missate (lie) about the porgram then beat a hasty retreat into Lawyerly talk (his latest statements regarding the leaks have been compared to those of Bush’s on his warrentless wire taping, by Democractic Pols) and now he and his entire administration are silent of the subject. Because, they are affraid of being caught in more misstatements.

The Director of the NSA is now talking about modifying the Metadata gathering program, that many here still claim don’t exist, and more than half of Obama’s supporters in the Senate don’t think that it works anyway.

I’ve got a question. Does the Fed Govt really want to catch him a put him on trial? If they caught him now the remaining materials he had are already scheduled for release so it wouldn’t do them any good. And if they brought him back he would get the best liberal attorneys, in the US, to defend him. To the vast majority of the left he is a hero. And the press LUV him - can you imagine him being on a Rachel Maddow show interview from jail. And it will eventually happen with the team of liberal attorneys that he will have.

I think that the govt is doing the old Kabuki show here. In public they will do what they must, bluff and blunder about catching him and putting economic sanctions on what-ever country takes him while in the back ground they shit thier pants trying to keep this from ever happening again. Tough to do when you have thousands of people with access to billions of $’s of technology spying on millions of people.

They will also try and make some changes to the programs and minor tweaks to the law while the programs die a death of a million cuts from the up coming lawsuits. Robert’s is actually doing Obama’s Justice Dept a favor. He just led the charge to effectively eliminate the Voting Rights act and the Justice Dept has had to redeploy attorneys that would otherwise had been handling those cases somewhere else. So now they are free to work defending the govt from US Citizens who are trying to recover thier 4th Amendment Rigths.

Ironic isn’t it - A few months ago, an African American President trained as a Constitutional Lawyer was just months ago deploying attorneys from his Justice Dept on cases to help protect the Voting Rights of Minorities.

Then, one SCOTUS case, where Roberts was in the majority, knocks down the Voting Rights act enough so that the Justice Dept has to redeploy attorneys for lack of work defending those minorites.

Then, a leak that shows Fed Govt activity actively participated in by that same president and facilitated by that same Chief Justice, and the Predident is now using those same attorneys to defend what about 50% of the US population believes is an intrusion into thier civil rights.

So who thinks that the voting rights act will be fixed before the end of Obama’s last term?

Who thinks that the NSA litigation will be finished before Obama’s last term?

One bullet point in his legacy is now clear.

The best Obama can make of this after he leaves office is to do what Bill Clinton did with DOMA. Distance himself from it and say his participation was a mistake.

7 cinesimon  Mon, Jul 8, 2013 2:40:08pm

re: #6 Heywood Jabloeme

And once again, you show your dishonesty, and inability to deal with reality in even remotely a rational way.
Not a surprise that you didn’t even bother to address the post.
You still haven’t realized that Snowden’s only real leak was that of American spying to China and other countries, have you? That his big initial bombshell was well known stuff, to those of us who’ve been paying attention, which he and Greenwald decided to embellish to make it sound more expose-like - which you and the media bought, without bothering to ask questions, or for such negligible things such as evidence - surprise surprise. You don’t need evidence! You KNOW that what you want to believe is true if somebody says it with enough bombast!

8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:05:45pm

re: #6 Heywood Jabloeme

What the fuck is the connection between the VRA and this, exactly?

9 chadu  Mon, Jul 8, 2013 7:59:32pm

Dude, I’ve often enjoyed pages you’ve posted, but I gotta say, on this topic you are nucking futs.

re: #6 Heywood Jabloeme

And what an evil person he is. He forced Obama to (euphemistically) missate (lie) about the porgram then beat a hasty retreat into Lawyerly talk (his latest statements regarding the leaks have been compared to those of Bush’s on his warrentless wire taping, by Democractic Pols) and now he and his entire administration are silent of the subject. Because, they are affraid of being caught in more misstatements.

Point of information: Obama changed the Bush-era warrantless wiretapping to warranted. We can debate how that all works out, but it’s not the same.

The Director of the NSA is now talking about modifying the Metadata gathering program, that many here still claim don’t exist, and more than half of Obama’s supporters in the Senate don’t think that it works anyway.

The metadata gathering protocol has been in operation since 2006. And it works.

I’ve got a question. Does the Fed Govt really want to catch him a put him on trial? If they caught him now the remaining materials he had are already scheduled for release so it wouldn’t do them any good. And if they brought him back he would get the best liberal attorneys, in the US, to defend him. To the vast majority of the left he is a hero. And the press LUV him - can you imagine him being on a Rachel Maddow show interview from jail. And it will eventually happen with the team of liberal attorneys that he will have.

I think you’re being willfully oblique here. I’m as liberal as they come, and I think Snowden is a low-down snake. Worse, he’s a monumentally stupid low-down snake.

I think that the govt is doing the old Kabuki show here.

Sweet Jebus Haploid Christ — are you just tumbling to this?

People spy on each other. Allies, enemies, neutrals: it’s the Great Game from the 1890s. Where have you been?

The Kabuki show is temporarily discomfited by seeing the man behind the curtain, who has always been there.

Maybe I’m just inured because I’ve lived in the DC Metro for over 20 years, and have friends in defense and intelligence, but by God, man, are you really this naive to realpolitik?

Robert’s is actually doing Obama’s Justice Dept a favor. He just led the charge to effectively eliminate the Voting Rights act and the Justice Dept has had to redeploy attorneys that would otherwise had been handling those cases somewhere else. So now they are free to work defending the govt from US Citizens who are trying to recover thier 4th Amendment Rigths.

Dude, you totes lost me here.

Then, a leak that shows Fed Govt activity actively participated in by that same president and facilitated by that same Chief Justice, and the Predident is now using those same attorneys to defend what about 50% of the US population believes is an intrusion into thier civil rights.

Cite.

The best Obama can make of this after he leaves office is to do what Bill Clinton did with DOMA. Distance himself from it and say his participation was a mistake.

He’s not. Not my read of the man.

He’ll say he made a bad situation better, which he did, but it wasn’t as better as it could have been.

However, I think he will say that not pursuing GWB and Cheney for war crimes was a mistake, in… say 15 years.

Realpolitik.

10 chadu  Mon, Jul 8, 2013 8:06:43pm

re: #7 cinesimon

You still haven’t realized that Snowden’s only real leak was that of American spying to China and other countries, have you? That his big initial bombshell was well known stuff, to those of us who’ve been paying attention, which he and Greenwald decided to embellish to make it sound more expose-like - which you and the media bought, without bothering to ask questions, or for such negligible things such as evidence - surprise surprise.

Anyone with half a functioning brain knew we were spying on China. Like we have since 19-goddamn-50.

11 chadu  Mon, Jul 8, 2013 8:07:11pm

re: #8 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

What the fuck is the connection between the VRA and this, exactly?

I think the Germans just bombed Pearl Harbor.


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