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1 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 9:25:42am

It’s got nothing to do with science and little to do with health. It has to do with evil.

Our society is neurotic about death. It isn’t something that happens in our lives and it is beyond our ability to effect. Death is now an evil thing.

So things like these bans reassure us that we can effect death, and by implementing them we are fighting evil. Some day we’ll win and then death will be no more!

2 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 9:27:40am

Smoking is an unpleasant habit that causes distress to nearby non-smokers. In an area that is prone to wildfires, a stray spark from a cigarette can cause a conflagration.

Smokers stink and smoking sucks.

Somebody sneaking smokes in the garage has totally fouled and stinked up my car. I CAN NEVER GET OUT THAT STENCH.

3 elizajane  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 10:21:32am

I am an ex-smoker who still loves to stand downwind from somebody with a cigarette! However, I also live in Yolo county, evidently the first place to ban outdoor smoking. This is a very, very dry place for about 8 months of the year. Any law that keeps lit sticks from dropping into a field of dry grass is AOK with me, whatever weak science you use to justify it.

4 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 10:57:26am

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

True about fire zones, nobody argues that issue. Damn cig paper has chemicals to keep it burning-Fact. I live where those huge SoCal wildfires can put my wife who has asthma in the hospital.

But VB…. the fire risk at the beach is pretty low. :-)

5 Randall Gross  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 11:51:38am

Point Lobos in California has been no smoking since I was a kid, I agreed with that even when I still smoked.

It makes sense to ban smoking on beaches except for designated areas because some assholes just stick the butt in sand and cause barefoot kids to get burned.

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 11:56:19am

re: #4 Political Atheist

True about fire zones, nobody argues that issue. Damn cig paper has chemicals to keep it burning-Fact. I live where those huge SoCal wildfires can put my wife who has asthma in the hospital.

But VB…. the fire risk at the beach is pretty low. :-)

Someone who smokes at the beach: what do they do with the butts? Stick it in the sand? That kind of fucks up the beach for everyone else.

7 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 12:00:50pm

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

You’d think they would put something on/in trash cans so you could take care of that without starting a trash fire. Of course if it’s really out the trash is fine. Too many inconsiderate smokers.

8 Skip Intro  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 12:08:09pm

re: #7 Political Atheist

You’d think they would put something on/in trash cans so you could take care of that without starting a trash fire. Of course if it’s really out the trash is fine. Too many inconsiderate smokers.

I detest smoking, but the same could be said about beach picnickers. You should have seen what Pismo Beach looked like the day after the 4th. If people gave any thought to picking up their trash and putting in trash cans or just leaving their shit strewn all over the sand, most of them chose the sand. The city had to bring in the heavy equipment the next day just to clean the crap up before it washed out to sea.

9 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Tue, Jul 9, 2013 1:20:55pm

If you’re going to ban smoking because it’s a fire hazard, do it for that reason, don’t foist bogus health reasons on us.

Smokers should always properly discard their butts, or take them out with them if that’s not possible.

VB, I once bought a used computer that turned out to be from a “smoking household” — it just reeked of tobacco smoke, to the point of triggering contact dermatitis in my hands (which are very sensitive to all sorts of things) and now it doesn’t at all. A paste of baking soda and water will do a lot to cut the stench, dry baking soda if you can’t let your surface get wet. Then if you leave it alone in clean air for a while (a while is probably a week or so), it will dissipate.


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