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1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 10:36:20am

Justin Amash is a hard-core libertarian, a Teabagger, and a Ron Paul supporter who wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and the Department of Education, and that just scratches the surface of the crazy.

I’ll never support anything this lunatic is involved in, and especially not this ill-advised knee-jerk legislation.

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 11:01:14am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Okay here is my argument-
Be that as it may about the key sponsor we still have the respected co sponsor to consider, and the overall issue. Warrantless domestic surveillance is a bad idea for our nation long term. I don’t want to end the NSA, just make it not have secret laws, and be constrained by the very long term kinds of checks and balances we now know to be key. It’s just metadata ignores the larger implications.

Knee jerk? Perhaps. So was passage and re passage of the Patriot Act, late FISA policies and expanded powers. If that’s the measure of bad law, it’s a longish list.

That tea bagger GOP majority is a big part of the oversight of the NSA. Bad mix there. They get a President they like and forget all about proper oversight.

I would never support the end of funding for NSA, just trim the powers they hold to the point we know works well enough for FBI etc.

3 StephenMeansMe  Wed, Jul 24, 2013 4:26:25pm

Because an organization already known to do secret stuff will totally stop doing secret stuff if we don’t give them specific monies for it… The real problem isn’t the program’s existence, it’s the program’s secrecy/unaccountability.

The amendment failed, by the way, but it was pretty close. I would’ve liked to see an amendment putting a time limit on keeping the data (and metadata about secret warrants and such) under wraps. Let ‘em dragnet all they want, but if you put a time limit they will be unable to actually snoop at will if they want to get the job done.


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