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1 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 9:21:37am

I find myself agreeing with the prescription for the Christian Right more than the prescription for atheists.

2 EiMitch  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 1:24:25pm

Its not that I don’t appreciate counter-intuitive thinking, but in this case it is misguided.

First, there have been many states and communities that have been praying and teaching creationism long before church & state separation got enforced. Religion didn’t stop being important in those places at all before the courts stepped in.

And second, Europe had a resurgence of religious and racial intolerance (well okay, mostly racial with religion fitting in that context) since the economic crash of 08.

Methinks someone mistook correlation for causality. Here are some other factors to consider.

Geography and/or Demographics - Europe is a smaller landmass than America. As a result, Europe is generally more urban, while America is more rural. And I can’t speak for Europeans, but in the US people in rural areas are more like-minded and similar looking and have less government interaction beyond traffic cops and thus they usually lean to the right. While people in urban areas are more used to interacting with minorities and different beliefs as well as the government having a more visible role in their lives and thus usually lean to the left.

Economics - Both here and in Europe, the right gained more power after the economy tanked. When we lose our minds in fear and panic, we’re apparently more likely to listen to and trust those who were already flipping nuts in the first place. With that in mind, consider how economic inequality had grown in America in the years, nay decades, before the 08 crash.

Btw - gee, thanks alot Regan. /sarc

Could either of these have anything to do with it? Nah, lets just give the wingnuts what they want. That’ll cost them their power for sure. /more sarc

3 Raw Satanic Sewage Recipes  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 4:42:02pm

re: #2 EiMitch

I think I have to agree with you. I get where the author is coming from, and to an extent, what she is arguing, I think, plays a small role in the culture here. On the other hand, America and her history are a lot more complex than most people realize.

4 aagcobb  Fri, Jul 26, 2013 6:53:54pm

I have long thought that religion flourished in America relative to Europe due to religious freedom here compared to state-sponsored religion there. Memes evolve to fill the niches available to them in human minds (a fact which would be lost on fundamentalists who don’t believe in evolution). In America, religious freedom allowed the evolution of numerous different sects increasing the likelihood that an individual could find a congenial church, and American pastors, whose income depends on tithes and not dependable state salaries, are highly motivated to recruit new members. In Europe, disfavored sects were actively suppressed by the state, so if the official religion wasn’t your cup of tea you might just not go to church, or moved somewhere you could worship as you pleased (i.e., America). Thus you have the irony of the Queen presiding as Head of both the State and the Church in a country of atheists, muslims and few christians.

5 EiMitch  Sat, Jul 27, 2013 8:44:15am

re: #4 aagcobb

Interesting thought. Though taken at face value, the connotation is that its too late to take Shanny Luft’s advice. The damage both here and there is done.


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