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1 Bulworth  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:05:41am

I saw a tweet about this and I assumed it was meant to be a joke. But I guess it’s Very Serious.

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2 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:06:45am

re: #1 Bulworth

I saw a tweet about this and I assumed it was meant to be a joke. But I guess it’s Very Serious.

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It’s totally cereal.

3 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:16:46am

Smart money says this is the program for surfing the huge database of data that they’ve already accrued by using previous legal, warranted searches to initially gather the data on particular people. It’s not gonna be what they are trying to make it appear to be.

4 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:29:29am

re: #3 Randall Gross

Smart money says this is the program for surfing the huge database of data that they’ve accrued by using previous warrants to initially gather the data on particular people. It’s not gonna be what they are trying to make it appear to be.

I am slogging through The Guardian article now, it’s pretty clear that this is for an aspx page that is being used to build a SQL query to search existing database tables. It’s not some seekrit spider-bot that harvests EVERY LAST FUCKING THING on TEH HOLE INTERNETS.

5 elizajane  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 7:30:14am

I see that Greenwald, jealous over all the attention going to B. Manning, is making his bid to stay in the limelight.

6 KiTA  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:01:57am

Haha, I love how “can search a database” turns into “the entire INTERNET.”

Journalism this bad should garner him a special anti-Pulitzer or something. Screw Greenwald right in his yellow journalist eye socket.

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 8:20:46am

re: #6 KiTA

Haha, I love how “can search a database” turns into “the entire INTERNET.”

Journalism this bad should garner him a special anti-Pulitzer or something. Screw Greenwald right in his yellow journalist eye socket.

Do journalists have a Raspberry like award because he’s vying to win this big time.

8 piratedan  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:14:26am

so the pool has it at 21 hours post the Manning ruling, everyone check their tickets….

9 Ah_Yup  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 9:22:23am

re: #3 Randall Gross

Not from the amount of information they are describing. No it’s not the entire Internet either. What it look like to me is that they are getting raw feeds from some ISP at key locations on the international backbone. Most likely they are capturing a substantial amount of international traffic and using this to search. The sum effect of it is probably that if you live in the continental US and are connecting to servers in the continental US they aren’t seeing much. On the other hand if you are in Europe and contacting servers in the US or another country they are sifting though it. The same if you are here and getting stuff from Europe.

We also get from this the bleeding frigging obvious that there is way to much data to sift through easily so what they actually keep is very, very limited.

10 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:33:48pm

re: #9 Ah_Yup

Wrong, 4 billion records a month is a pitifully small drop in an awesomely sized bucket if you look at the amount of data passing through a single overseas fiber in a single day. Look up “OC 192” and then go do some math.

Hint: OC192 is approximately 9.5 Gbits per second of payload, there are about 86400 seconds in a day. Suppose in practice you only have about a half or even a third of that used, you still have enough data for a billion records easy in under a day.

11 Randall Gross  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:44:11pm

Another way to look at it: the average carrier’s overseas backbone cables *each* (and there are multiples,) have the capability of passing 126 thousand average sized emails per second.

12 StephenMeansMe  Wed, Jul 31, 2013 12:46:02pm

I do like how Greenwald brings up Snowden’s bogus “I can wiretap the President” bogosity and says that XKeyscore totally justifies that claim… yet completely fails to point out how.

Also, damn NSA, get a graphic designer or something. Those PowerPoints are awful.


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