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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:51:00am

Very good stuff. Despite what some say, this sort of article is neither ‘left’ nor ‘right’, it is simply realistic.

Part of it, I think, is the general dislike of tragedy among American movie audiences, this going double for parents. Americans want badly to believe that the “good guys” will triumph, and making movie where even a supporting character does his/her absolute best and is still defeated is pretty unpopular.

2 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:53:08am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Very good stuff. Despite what some say, this sort of article is neither ‘left’ nor ‘right’, it is simply realistic.

Part of it, I think, is the general dislike of tragedy among American movie audiences, this going double for parents. Americans want badly to believe that the “good guys” will triumph, and making movie where even a supporting character does his/her absolute best and is still defeated is pretty unpopular.

South Park did a spoof of these “Underdog Wins!” movies, the “Stanley’s Cup” episode showed the kids’ hockey team getting the shit pounded out of them.

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:55:58am

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

South Park did a spoof of these “Underdog Wins!” movies, the “Stanley’s Cup” episode showed the kids’ hockey team getting the shit pounded out of them.

True, I remember seeing that. Such is the good satire can do, by criticizing bad traits in the culture. Unfortunately, Trey Parker and Matt Stone have a far smaller megaphone than does the Disney Company.

4 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 9:58:21am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

True, I remember seeing that. Such is the good satire can do, by criticizing bad traits in the culture. Unfortunately, Trey Parker and Matt Stone have a far smaller megaphone than does the Disney Company.

But I add also add that you still have to do your best anyways, since it is important to strive for what you believe in. And in that regards, the South Park guys are to be commended, even if their effort didn’t make great headway.

5 GeneJockey  Wed, Aug 14, 2013 5:56:48pm

What happens to the kid who’s been taught “You can be anything you want to be, if only you TRY!!!” when he runs into reality? Because the corollary of that is “If you’re not what you want to be, you didn’t try hard enough!”

Sound familiar?

It’s the basic ideology of the Resentful Right, and it explains contempt for the less ‘accomplished’ in society, for example the “Hate-The-Poor-Fest” on Fox in response to the Fast Food workers strike. The thing is, the economy ALWAYS creates WAY MORE shitty, low paying jobs than it does nifty, high paying ones, and the current economy is even worse in that regard.

6 calochortus  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 12:21:51pm

re: #5 GeneJockey

This isn’t completely new-although the audience has expanded-there’s been a lot of “positive thinking” stuff out there for many decades.

The corollary to this is apparently about to be TV series-“I survived a horrific situation because I’m strong and knew I had to make it for X reason”

I’m just back from a trip where we had cable TV in the motel (just have broadcast at home.) They were advertising a series called Surviving Evil and the the teasers were all about women who survived some sort of attack, but it left me with the distinct impression that those who didn’t survive were in some way to blame, or lacked will power.

We seem to be reinforcing the apparently natural belief that good stuff happens because of our innate superiority, bad stuff is bad luck or sabotage.

7 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Aug 15, 2013 7:05:25pm

re: #6 calochortus

I know they’re unlikely to do tihs, but I’d like Hollywood to have the second movie of a trilogy see a well-regarded main character face The Worst Day, that meaning a situation where even though he has done everything right and his allies are loyal, all that is simply not enough to overcome the forces massed against him.

The problem is that such a situation would probably be poorly received in the US.

8 jamesfirecat  Sat, Aug 17, 2013 6:48:39pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I know they’re unlikely to do tihs, but I’d like Hollywood to have the second movie of a trilogy see a well-regarded main character face The Worst Day, that meaning a situation where even though he has done everything right and his allies are loyal, all that is simply not enough to overcome the forces massed against him.

The problem is that such a situation would probably be poorly received in the US.

Isn’t this the entire story of Empire Strikes Back where despite doing the best they can the rebels loose a base, Luke looses a hand and Han gets captured?

9 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 18, 2013 12:03:10pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

Isn’t this the entire story of Empire Strikes Back where despite doing the best they can the rebels loose a base, Luke looses a hand and Han gets captured?

No, because Luke gets a bionic replacement and we know Han will be rescued in the next movie (even when I was a child, had seen ESB but Return of the Jedi had yet to be released, I knew). An ending like the one I’m thinking has a secondary hero giving his all, but still going down in a hail of blaster fire as the stormtroopers overrun his position.


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