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1 majii  Sun, Aug 18, 2013 8:38:53pm

This is an essential lesson that republicans must learn if they are to increase the size of their tent and attract minorities to their party. We Black Americans have always had to work against the odds, especially black females. This has meant that we’ve had to do what my parents called “make a way out of no way.” It has led to making many sacrifices so our kids could have better lives. My parents did it, and I did it for my daughter. Republicans don’t understand that you cannot keep people down who are determined to succeed and who have a history of doing quite a lot with very little. Our history is replete with examples of maids, garbage men, and custodians who have sent their kids to college by working hard and sacrificing. Oftentimes, when others wonder how they did it, they can’t begin to understand. It’s all about dogged determination, hard work, prayer, a willingness to make sacrifices, and setting priorities.

2 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 18, 2013 9:50:37pm
3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 2:02:39am

re: #2 GatorsEatsTaters

Please go to the sections of the South where huge chunks of the population are white and below the poverty line and are barely able to afford the trailer they live in and try lecturing them about their “white privilege”

Okay. It’ll be a very uncomfortable position, but the truth of it is that a white person in those circumstances still has more privilege than a black person in those circumstances.

4 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:15:24am
5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:25:55am

re: #4 GatorsEatsTaters

Your anecdote is noted, but it’s an anecdote. It’s demonstrably true that white privilege exists. A white woman in that circumstance with the exact same experience and education is much more likely to be hired for a job than a black woman is. A black woman would, in identical cases, get a longer prison sentence, the testimony of a black witness would be less likely to be believed.

Do you not know these things?

6 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:49:20am
7 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:16:26am

re: #6 GatorsEatsTaters

No, we can ascertain a lot more than that— like the fact, as I said, that white women are hired preferentially over black women.

Are you disputing this?

8 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:39:37am
9 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:57:40am

re: #8 GatorsEatsTaters

And how are you going to prove this without reading the minds of the people doing the hiring?

Well, it’s pretty simple. You can compare the resumes of people pretty trivially, but even beyond that, applications with ‘white sounding’ names get looked at a lot more often than those with ‘black-sounding’ names.

But by doing a little more research, you can show that of black people whose resumes are functionally identical to white people, far fewer blacks are hired.

Now, this doesn’t even imply a conscious racism on the part of the interviewer. It can be latent and institutional. But it still does happen.

Here’s some good reading for you to do to educate yourself on this subject, since you seem interested but uninformed:

princeton.edu

10 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:33:24pm
11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:06:50pm

re: #10 GatorsEatsTaters

Black people make up 10% of the population of the USA. So if 10 women come into an interview lets assume 1 is black and the rest are other races. The person doing the hiring has to pick the best candidate, so the black woman has not just one other person to compete with, but 9 others. So the fact that black women do not make the positions as much is simply based on math.

I don’t even know what to do with this. Obviously, what I’m saying, and what the study shows, is that, taking into account their representation in the population, black women are hired less often than white women.

You didn’t read it, did you?

12 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:10:03pm

re: #11 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You didn’t read it, did you?

Psst…you’re talking to a climate denier. The only things they tend to read are breitbart, freerepublic, and foxnation.

13 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:26:55pm
14 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:32:38pm

re: #13 GatorsEatsTaters

Yeah I totally denied all climate change in that post…

Oh wait, no I didn’t, your just making up shit you pulled out of your ass. Piss up a rope, troll.

LOL Darvo :) Tell us more about Jimmy Carter while you’re at it.

15 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:35:58pm
16 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 4:39:19pm
17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:18:43pm

re: #15 GatorsEatsTaters

Did you read the linked article which details the systemic racism in the workplace and other areas of American life, or not?

18 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:18:58pm

re: #16 GatorsEatsTaters

Wow, what a buffoon.

19 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:20:28pm
20 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:21:20pm
21 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:21:28pm

Okay, looks like this GatorsEatsTaters character is the stalker trifecta:

1) ignore new evidence and repeat the same old debunked arguments
2) accuse others of doing what they do
3) when confronted, resort to creepy homophobic insults

It really ought to be in the DSM-V.

22 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:24:35pm

re: #19 GatorsEatsTaters

I did, and it did not answer why the public sector overwhelmingly has more black people than the general population

Do you have anything to say to the numerous ways that racism is detailed in that document, though? Rather than trying to pick one particular hole, what about the overall portrayal of the way that white privilege exists in the US?

23 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:31:51pm
24 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:37:48pm
25 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 5:43:44pm

re: #24 GatorsEatsTaters

That is one of the most pathetic attempts at mocking up a counterargument I’ve ever seen. Your description of the paper isn’t even close to correct, as anyone can see by looking at it.

Do you think people are just not going to look at it and see that you’re wildly misrepresenting it, or what?

Do you even understand what ‘institutional racism’ is? It doesn’t require any individual to actually be consciously racist in decision making. At least understand the subject you’re trying to argue about.

26 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 6:06:06pm
27 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 6:14:44pm

re: #26 GatorsEatsTaters

No, that’s specifically not what I’m saying, which again shows that you didn’t really read the paper.

And no, I have no understanding of this ‘institutional racism’ you speak of because my whole life I have grown up around people of every race. The majority of my friends are either east asian and middle eastern, my best friend is 3/4 black and my GF is part pacific islander. I have never in my own personal experience ever ran into someone who had a serious racist streak in them. I am sure people like that are still around these days but they are few and far between. Also every job I have worked, and I mean every job, was never composed of just one race of people. So unless you are applying to the KKK or Black Panthers on your job application I seriously have not seen this monolithic singular race conspiracy theory where the Illuminati is behind the scenes keeping certain races down

That’s not what it is, it’s just that white people tend to get treated better. And it’s demonstrably true.

28 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 6:18:53pm
29 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 6:20:36pm

re: #28 GatorsEatsTaters

Well, again, read the paper.

30 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 6:24:53pm
31 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 7:24:48pm

It’s unfortunate that you are having trouble finding work. It doesn’t give you license to be a total asshole. Get a grip.

32 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Aug 19, 2013 7:40:14pm

re: #30 GatorsEatsTaters

The paper isn’t bullshit. It’s well-researched, well-sourced, and you haven’t done anything to discredit it in any way.

how come the fuck I have been working 4 years now only part time, how come I have been applying at least once a week to other jobs and have not heard one damn reply despite the fact I am careful to only apply to jobs I am qualified for. Explain that god damn fucking white privilege again will you?!

As I explained in my first post, white privilege means that you have it easier than a black person in the same situation. A black person would be less likely to be hired for that job, or any of the jobs that you’re applying for. You’re less likely to be arrested for a crime, being arrested you’d receive a shorter sentence than a black person.

I don’t know if you’re just actually this confused, or if you’re purposefully misunderstanding the concept of ‘white privilege’. It isn’t ‘life is awesome for all white people’ it’s, ‘demonstrably, white people get treated better than others by most of the institutions in our society’.

33 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 2:09:43am

re: #30 GatorsEatsTaters

I can read that bullshit paper over and over, doesn’t change that the fact that I am (mostly) white and are wondering where the fuck this so called white privilege is, how come the fuck I have been working 4 years now only part time, how come I have been applying at least once a week to other jobs and have not heard one damn reply despite the fact I am careful to only apply to jobs I am qualified for. Explain that god damn fucking white privilege again will you?!

I guess it just sucks to be you.

34 palomino  Tue, Aug 20, 2013 4:49:09pm

re: #30 GatorsEatsTaters

I can read that bullshit paper over and over, doesn’t change that the fact that I am (mostly) white and are wondering where the fuck this so called white privilege is, how come the fuck I have been working 4 years now only part time, how come I have been applying at least once a week to other jobs and have not heard one damn reply despite the fact I am careful to only apply to jobs I am qualified for. Explain that god damn fucking white privilege again will you?!

White privilege doesn’t mean you’re born with a silver spoon in your mouth, or that you’re guaranteed professional advancement or riches.

What it means is that you and I don’t have to worry about things like racial profiling. We’re not gonna be stopped by the police for driving while white, or walking while white. We’re not gonna be followed around stores with expensive stuff because we’re automatically suspected criminals. We’re not gonna get profiled by cops and security guards and neighborhood watchmen because of our race. We’re less likely to be victims of police brutality. If arrested, we’re likely to receive less severe charges than blacks, less likely to be convicted, and less likely to receive harsh jail terms.

Granted, it’s a hell of a lot better for blacks than when I was a child growing up in Texas in the 70’s. (Example: the summer camp I went to as a kid had ONE black kid; behind his back, lots of white campers would say things like, “What’s that n***** doing here?”) Things like that are probably much less common today. But we’re talking about less than 40 years ago, so much of this sentiment lingers.

35 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 21, 2013 6:09:36pm

re: #30 GatorsEatsTaters

I can read that bullshit paper over and over, doesn’t change that the fact that I am (mostly) white and are wondering where the fuck this so called white privilege is, how come the fuck I have been working 4 years now only part time, how come I have been applying at least once a week to other jobs and have not heard one damn reply despite the fact I am careful to only apply to jobs I am qualified for. Explain that god damn fucking white privilege again will you?!

They’re probably afraid that if they hire someone as charming & articulate as you, then your charisma will overshadow all the other employees. //


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