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1 EiMitch  Sun, Aug 25, 2013 12:21:43pm

Assad’s regime is a bunch of mass-murdering bastards of the old-school middle-east dictator variety. The rebellion against him has been usurped (if they weren’t already like that in the first place) by mass-murdering bastards of the Taliban-esque theocratic thug variety.

Its lose-lose. Whoever we support or don’t, the Syrian public is screwed. And as its been been pointed out elsewhere, either victor would most likely hate us anyway. So even if we’re willing to send drones, nevermind boots on the ground, there is no practical nor humanitarian goal we can achieve.

Yeah, it sucks for the Syrian people caught in the crossfire, but there is nothing we can do to help them. Unless you count assisting neighboring countries who are taking-in refugees. In terms of supplies and such, I’m sure they could use that kind of intervention.

2 TDG2112  Sun, Aug 25, 2013 12:34:45pm

From an entertainment point of view: bomb ‘em. Everyone loves big explosions and Glorious Military campaigns! We’ll get cameras everywhere like we did in Iraq, it’ll be awesome!

From the point of view of a president trying to make decisions that best furthers the interests of the United States of America: Non-Military aid or nothing at all.

Gee, I wonder which side the Republicans are on?

3 CarleeCork  Sun, Aug 25, 2013 1:52:04pm

re: #2 TDG2112

From an entertainment point of view: bomb ‘em. Everyone loves big explosions and Glorious Military campaigns! We’ll get cameras everywhere like we did in Iraq, it’ll be awesome!

From the point of view of a president trying to make decisions that best furthers the interests of the United States of America: Non-Military aid or nothing at all.

Gee, I wonder which side the Republicans are on?

They’ll let us know after the President makes his decision. They will be on the other side.

4 kirkspencer  Sun, Aug 25, 2013 4:30:49pm

I can’t answer this because at this moment “it depends.” Did Assad use chemical weapons on his own citizens? If no, then stay with what we’re doing now. If he did gas them, then we need to force a regime change with all the tools at our disposal to include military force.

The reason is simple: a nation’s leadership that uses weapons of mass destruction on its own people is no longer reasonable, no longer sane. We cannot trust it to behave sanely in any future interactions. We should treat it the same way we remove a rabid dog; remove it as swiftly and humanely as possible but remove it nonetheless.

5 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 25, 2013 7:42:56pm

I’m going with option 2. There needs to be a response, but on the other hand, the FSA is poisoned by fanatics. Do #2 as a first step, then think about how to go from there. Slowly, and with diligence.

Although, who were the 3 people in favor of full spectrum attack? I want to hear their logic.

6 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, Aug 25, 2013 7:44:23pm

I would however use drone on Al-Nusra and their cronies. If we attack Assad’s side, we should also cripple the theocratic portion of the rebels. Evolution in action.

7 jogiff  Mon, Aug 26, 2013 1:48:12am

I voted for military support, but I feel that I should emphasize that I only support it if we can prove that Assad really did use chemical weapons on civilians (what constitutes a civilian? What constitutes proof? I don’t know).

Using chemical weapons are a line in the sand that we’ve drawn and we can’t just back off of our guarantee without losing a serious amount of credibility.

The reason I support putting boots on the ground if we attack is because I think that if we’re going to be joining the civil war then we can’t ignore the Islamist rebels. In an urban environment like Syria then I think we’ll need infantry.

8 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Aug 26, 2013 5:25:44am

Non-military only. Otherwise it will simply further the Far Right’s agenda of doing away with international law.

What’s happening inside Syria is horrible. But it is happening inside Syria and for any nation to enter on one side or the other or just to restore calm would be against the law. Restoring calm and responsible government is something the Syrians need to do for themselves.

In addition to remembering Iraq we might also want to remember the intervention in Somalia.

9 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Aug 26, 2013 10:22:20am

re: #7 jogiff

If we attack Al-Assad, I want the radicals attacked as well. Act against both

10 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Aug 26, 2013 10:35:37am

You see the guys in the red box?

We attack them while we attack Assad. While hurting Assad, we need to also cripple or destroy the violent radicals.

11 EiMitch  Mon, Aug 26, 2013 4:10:06pm

re: #10 ProTARDISLiberal

You make it sound so simple. But you’re basically proposing entering a nation during a civil war to attack both sides at once. Not wise at all.

“But,” I hear you say, “I’m only talking about attacking the bad rebels, not the good ones.” Do you trust our military to accurately make that distinction in real time? I don’t.

Can you count on anyone over there to care about that distinction? Do the “good” rebels care about that distinction, or have they already made their proverbial deal with the devil? And if not the later, do you think they will trust us to make that distinction and not kill the wrong ones? I seriously doubt it.

Trust me, you don’t want to open that can of worms.

Getting involved in this one is pretty much guaranteed to be another Vietnam/Somalia/Iraq/Afghanistan. Not wise at all.


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