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1 calochortus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 9:49:13am

As long as they do it on all wedding photos, gay and straight, they should be on sound legal footing while they go out of business (‘cause who wants someone’s opinion on the back of their photos?) Otherwise, I trust Klingenschmitt will be helping pay their legal bills.

2 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:02:10am
3 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:02:49am
4 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:03:28am

You can substitute “serving Black people at a restaurant” in every single one of Matt Barber’s specious excuses.

5 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:07:43am

DERP.

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:23:35am

This guy is even more toxic than Bryan Fischer.

7 kerFuFFler  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 10:50:27am

I don’t see why anyone would want to hire a photographer who did not want to shoot their wedding. You need a good rapport between the subjects and the photographer for really great shots. And there are lots of good photographers to choose from.

Somehow I see this a falling into a different category from getting service in a restaurant. Being able to be treated equally when you enter someone’s establishment is different from being able to insist that someone attend your event and participate in it. And yeah, how would a gay photographer feel about being required to shoot a Westboro Baptist wedding?

While I think it is a shame that there are people who dislike gays so much, I don’t think it helps the cause of gay marriage for Christians to be able to point to an example of it negatively impinging on their lives.

8 calochortus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:14:56am

re: #7 kerFuFFler

I don’t see why they’d want a photographer that doesn’t want to do their wedding, either. Still, I’d say it is much like a restaurant not serving people-the service is the issue, not the venue. Would the photographer do the formal shots in their studio, but not photograph the event? Can a restaurant that serves people on site refuse to cater an event because they don’t approve of the color of the participants?

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

You can substitute “serving Black people at a restaurant” in every single one of Matt Barber’s specious excuses.

You can, and people have. And unfortunately, approved of the concept.

9 kerFuFFler  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 11:45:17am

re: #8 calochortus

Maybe I am wrong about this, but with there being so many great photographers——many of them gay——I don’t see that gays will have problems lining up photographers for their weddings. So why stir up the hornets nest allowing Christians to act victimized by gay marriage?

I am somewhat uncomfortable with my current position on this issue but it seems like a genuine gray area. Attending a gay marriage could honestly offend the religious sensibilities of some conservatives so they should have the right to not attend. Depriving conservatives of an opportunity to complain seems overall more beneficial than preventing the non-problem of not being able to find a photographer.

It sucks that there are such small minded people but forcing their hand just gives them fodder for playing the victim.

10 calochortus  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 12:09:26pm

re: #9 kerFuFFler

In an ideal world photographers would politely say, “I’m just not comfortable with this, and don’t feel I would do the best possible job. May I recommend my friend so-and-so to do your wedding?” And the happy couple would go check out so-and-so.
That isn’t the way the world is.

Do you feel the same about a baker refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple? Or is it just because a photographer is actually sort of a part of the festivities that you exempt them. (I hope that doesn’t sound snarky. It is not intended to.)

11 CuriousLurker  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 12:32:21pm

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

Wow, that’s some crazy pretzel logic that guy has going on there.

#PetPeeve: Typos are one thing, but I really wish people wouldn’t Tweet using words they don’t know how to spell correctly.

12 kerFuFFler  Tue, Sep 3, 2013 1:00:03pm

re: #10 calochortus

In an ideal world photographers would politely say, “I’m just not comfortable with this, and don’t feel I would do the best possible job. May I recommend my friend so-and-so to do your wedding?” And the happy couple would go check out so-and-so.That isn’t the way the world is.
Do you feel the same about a baker refusing to bake a wedding cake for a same sex couple? Or is it just because a photographer is actually sort of a part of the festivities that you exempt them. (I hope that doesn’t sound snarky. It is not intended to.)

Caterers and bakers should not be able to turn away gay business, and you’re right, my reason for exempting photographers is that they have to attend the actual ceremony. If the gay couple only wanted studio shots I don’t think the photographers should be able to turn them away.

That said, I would not want to do business with someone who hated me for my very nature. They could take horrible pictures on purpose or put something vile in the food or cake if they felt they were being forced into a contract they hated. I would choose only businesses that made it clear up front that they are happy to be involved with the wedding. Some things are best not litigated.

13 Joanne  Wed, Sep 4, 2013 9:51:47am

re: #10 calochortus

Better question: Do you really want to eat something that someone who hates you, without knowing you, cooked/baked? I sure wouldn’t.

As for photos, I wouldn’t trust some jerk who refused to service your wedding with taking pictures on this important day.


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