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1 sagehen  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:59:50am
“For in order for capitalism to work — in order for it to produce a good and a stable society — the traditional Christian virtues are essential.”

Then why are the Japanese so good at it?

2 Shockingly, Pathetically Low  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:18:21am

And while you’re at it, mention that to the rest of South Asia too!

3 elizajane  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:29:31am

These would be the same Catholics who for centuries made the Jews be their bankers because lending money for interest was strictly forbidden by Scriptural authority?

And let us recall what a total economic basket case Catholic Spain was during the (elsewhere) early Capitalist era in European history.

Then, yes, we get that individual charity (vs. state charity) is a good Catholic concept. It’s very helpful to the rich people wanting to buy their way into heaven. This must be why there were never any beggars in Italy like there were in the northern, Protestant countries where charities were run by cities and provinces. ///

It just goes on and on. Everything he says is ludicrous and almost bizarrely biased. It is terrifying to consider that he is one of nine people deciding on the interpretation of our laws.

4 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:30:39am

re: #1 sagehen

Then why are the Japanese so good at it?

You have to understand there’s a difference between what Scalia is referring to as “Capitalism” and ACTUAL Capitalism.

5 kirkspencer  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:32:01am

I’m not sure which way to respond first. Is it: Which virtues that enhance or enable capitalism are innately Christian? Or is it: Which Christian virtues that enhance socialism are not supportive of socialism?

6 CarleeCork  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:37:30am

Our Supreme Court has become a joke.

7 team_fukit  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 10:53:29am

Lol, is it Christian values or just the parts Christians stole from Judaism? //

Somewhere in Plato’s heaven, the ghost of Max Weber is shedding an ideal tear.

8 calochortus  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:13:24am

re: #5 kirkspencer

I’m not sure which way to respond first. Is it: Which virtues that enhance or enable capitalism are innately Christian? Or is it: Which Christian virtues that enhance socialism are not supportive of socialism?

Actually, I read it the other way around. Pure capitalism is inherently flawed and has to be moderated by other values (in this case Christian ones, but it could be something else.) Now I don’t think that’s what Scalia meant to say, but one can make an argument that he implied that Socialism could stand on its own, but Capitalism can’t.

9 StephenMeansMe  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:20:09am

I don’t think Scalia’s that wrong, he just wrongly thinks the virtues are specifically Christian. After all, Adam Smith also wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments, and capitalism works best if everyone’s honest and somewhat temperate.

The irony, of course, is that most Christian cheerleading for capitalism comes from prosperity-gospel type stuff. Highly un-Christian, and destructive to capitalism itself. Nobody likes a plutocrat.

10 mechanic  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 11:33:39am

Competition is at the heart of Capitalism, or should be, and competition is at the heart of evolution. I don’t recall where Jesus said anything about beating out your neighbor.
Scalia also throws out the part of the Preamble which states…promote the general welfare… which says nothing about Capitalism (predatory).

11 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:08:46pm

I assume Justice Wingnut is going to try to hold out until a Republican is in the White House again before retiring; imagine his dismay when Hillary is elected President in 2016!

12 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:09:53pm

re: #9 StephenMeansMe

I don’t think Scalia’s that wrong, he just wrongly thinks the virtues are specifically Christian. After all, Adam Smith also wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments, and capitalism works best if everyone’s honest and somewhat temperate.

The irony, of course, is that most Christian cheerleading for capitalism comes from prosperity-gospel type stuff. Highly un-Christian, and destructive to capitalism itself. Nobody likes a plutocrat.

“…capitalism works best if everyone’s honest and somewhat temperate.”

Hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaaaa…

13 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:12:30pm

re: #10 mechanic

Competition is at the heart of Capitalism, or should be, and competition is at the heart of evolution. I don’t recall where Jesus said anything about beating out your neighbor.
Scalia also throws out the part of the Preamble which states…promote the general welfare… which says nothing about Capitalism (predatory).

Cooperation is also at the heart of evolution.

14 Jayleia  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 12:27:55pm

re: #13 b_sharp

Depends on which type of organism, solitary predators would become more competitive. Social herb/omnivores would become more cooperative…or at least, in theory, they SHOULD (modern US Politics seems to throw a wrench into that concept…).

15 sizzzzlerz  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:18:06pm

Which christian values would those be: raping altar boys or spewing hatred at everybody not like themselves?

16 Lidane  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 1:24:30pm

re: #3 elizajane

And let us recall what a total economic basket case Catholic Spain was during the (elsewhere) early Capitalist era in European history.

Let us also look at the endemic political and economic corruption in Mexico and the rest of Latin America, all of which has its direct roots in the failed mercantilism of the Spanish Empire.

It’s a mess, and that mess was brought over here by both economists AND clergy.

17 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 3:43:08pm

Uh no Scalia. Try again.

18 StephenMeansMe  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:34:51pm

re: #12 b_sharp

“…capitalism works best if everyone’s honest and somewhat temperate.”

Hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaaaa…

Willingly or unwillingly ^_^

19 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:43:05pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

You have to understand there’s a difference between what Scalia is referring to as “Capitalism” and ACTUAL Capitalism.

Actually, I think he’s referring to the religion known as America, of which he is obviously an adherent.

This religion is an odd confluence of capitalism and Christianity which has generally left out the good parts of both and so has become a perfect excuse for scumbags like Scalia to be scumbags.

20 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:45:52pm

re: #9 StephenMeansMe

I don’t think Scalia’s that wrong, he just wrongly thinks the virtues are specifically Christian. After all, Adam Smith also wrote The Theory of Moral Sentiments, and capitalism works best if everyone’s honest and somewhat temperate.

The irony, of course, is that most Christian cheerleading for capitalism comes from prosperity-gospel type stuff. Highly un-Christian, and destructive to capitalism itself. Nobody likes a plutocrat.

My favorite line from that book?

He is not a wise and good man who does not at all times prefer the public interest to his own.

Adam Smith was closer to a modern socialist than a modern capitalist in my opinion.

21 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 6:51:10pm

re: #10 mechanic

Competition is at the heart of Capitalism, or should be, and competition is at the heart of evolution. I don’t recall where Jesus said anything about beating out your neighbor.
Scalia also throws out the part of the Preamble which states…promote the general welfare… which says nothing about Capitalism (predatory).

What was it Charles Darwin said? Oh yeah.

It is not the strongest of the species that survives but the one most adaptable to change.

Furthermore creation is at the heart of capitalism. Capital; intellectual, financial and labour; is invested in products that create wealth. competition then determines if the product is useful in someway to the consumer.

Capitalism says nothing about what happens to those who fail in the competition, and the insistence on many ‘capitalists’ to ignore those who lose is a major problem in our society.

22 danhenry1  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 8:43:06pm

I thought that a Supreme Court jurist would have a deep understanding of the Constitution. I certainly do not. I do know that there is no mention, nor referencing of Capitalism at all in our Constitution. There is a reference to private property rights, That’s about it. That really is not unique to, or necessary for a Capitalist System; or is it Society?

23 danhenry1  Mon, Sep 9, 2013 9:00:09pm

Was the United States Constitution divinely inspired? Thus perfect?
Or is it one of the finest documents writ by man; that is alive, and can be continuously bettered?


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