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1 Skip Intro  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 8:23:19am

This is what the market thinks.

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I agree with it.

2 MichaelJ  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 9:16:47am

re: #1 Skip Intro

Please explain why you agree that the stock should drop. I agree that the stock should drop because historically, that happens after every product announcement Apple makes. If you are underwhelmed, then perhaps you don’t fully understand how significant some of these new features are.

At this point in time, some tech pundits are so jaded about Apple that even if Apple invented a watch that could make you fly, they would complain that you couldn’t fly high enough or fast enough.

3 PeterWolf  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 3:32:45pm

Let’s face it. Smart phones have been around long enough now that we are dealing with evolution, not revolution.

4 Stoatly  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 4:51:43pm

re: #3 PeterWolf


Apple’s come out with products that have defined whole new markets - and the big question is can they still do that post-Jobs?

I hope so (though I personally don’t use Apple stuff at the moment) because they drove innovation and design (though the legacy of their patent bullying may be to stifle innovation in the long term)

This is not a product that answers that, it’s evolutionary improvement of a product - same as every company engages in.

Interesting only really in the release of the lower priced model which breaks with their previous marketing - how that plays out will definitely be something to watch

5 PeterWolf  Wed, Sep 11, 2013 7:41:13pm

re: #4 Stoatly

Interesting only really in the release of the lower priced model which breaks with their previous marketing - how that plays out will definitely be something to watch

Budget phone, without the budget price.

6 Stoatly  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 3:55:54am

re: #5 PeterWolf

Not really a budget phone though - Apple is limited in what it do in that direction.
They have to maintain a certain quality level or they dilute the brand (look at Sony’s decline from “quality at a price premium” to “Meh”)

Same with offering consumers choices/expanding the product range - the lack of choice is actually a USP for Apple.It puts me off personally - but I can’t deny it would be nice sometimes to have the ease of choice with Apple: you always make a safe choice, and the accessory manufacturers and app developers have a much easier time targeting a small well defined model range.
Fragmentation is the big downside of Android.

Apple can only go so far in trying to drink Android’s milkshake on price and choice without losing their essential Appleyness - not to say they can’t respond at all - the increase in screen size for the 5 and the decrease for the iPad mini were a necessary response to Android, rather than an internal innovation (in fact despite Jobs previously saying their research proved those screen sizes wouldn’t work)

Which is why it’s going to be fascinating watching how this plays out - even if the new phones aren’t that interesting in themselves

7 BusyMonster  Thu, Sep 12, 2013 1:19:40pm

re: #4 Stoatly


Apple’s come out with products that have defined whole new markets - and the big question is can they still do that post-Jobs?

I’ve worked in IT for 19 years. During the 1990’s, when Jobs was not part of Apple, they virtually disappeared off the face of the planet. He was a huge part of their revival as a company, and if he hadn’t come along when he did nobody would be talking about iAnything right now.

He is no longer available to return and save the company, and it is obvious without his kind of manic vision they are going to act like any cowardly American corporation: low to zero risk-taking, low to zero actual innovation (NONE of the things the iPhone does these days are innovative, period, especially the fingerprint scanner which is the dumbest security device of all time).

So, they are probably doomed in five years or less. The snafu with the maps last year, the generally tepid advances made in the iPhone package overall, the lack of anything stunningly new, means they are just milking their mojo from the Jobs era.

Back in the day Apple controlled every single aspect of hardware/software. Now, the hardware is Intel, the software is Unix, and the only innovation going on is in features, which won’t be enough. They aren’t willing to compete on price, and I refuse to pay $600 for a dumbphone from anyone. I don’t care what features it has, it is being assembled by shit-wage workers in China who have to have nets outside to prevent suicide. It is SIMPLY NOT WORTH that kind of money, period.

8 MichaelJ  Fri, Sep 13, 2013 9:02:22am

re: #7 BusyMonster

May I quote you on the “doomed in five years or less” state of Apple? That’s going to be some really tasty claim chowder in about “five years or less”. Jut because you are narrow minded and prejudiced against Apple doesn’t mean the rest of the real world feels the same, as evidenced by the sales figures of Apple products. I would love to hear your explanation of why a fingerprint scanner is “the dumbest security device of all time”. You probably also scoff at the notion that a 64-bit chip could possibly affect performance of the phone.

9 MichaelJ  Fri, Sep 13, 2013 9:22:35am

re: #7 BusyMonster

Back in the day Apple controlled every single aspect of hardware/software. Now, the hardware is Intel, the software is Unix, and the only innovation going on is in features, which won’t be enough.

Not sure what you are talking about here. The new iPhones are powered by Apple-branded A6 or A7 chips, not by Intel-anything. The software is based on Unix, but it is definitely not just Unix. If it were, the GUI would suck. Prior to Apple making it’s own chips for these phones, they NEVER controlled every single aspect of hardware/software. Macs have always had CPU’s made by someone else. Before Intel, it was Motorola’s PowerPC chips. You need to get your facts straight - otherwise you’re just spewing unintelligent, inaccurate Apple-bashing negativity.

10 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sat, Sep 14, 2013 2:48:08am

Samsung Android phones are better.


Yes I am trolling:)

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