Enraged Drivers Shoot, Kill Each Other (Both were CCW Permit Holders)

All it takes is one person with a CWP to stop another CWP

Crime • September 2013 • Views: 3,879

IONIA, Mich. (WZZM) — Two drivers are dead after a road rage incident escalated into a shootout. The incident happened around 6:45p.m. Wednesday on M-66 near Steele Street.

Witnesses say the driver of the following car fired shots, and the first driver returned fire. Both drivers were shot and killed. Authorities say both men, ages 43 and 56, had licenses to carry concealed weapons.

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But just think, if there had just been a 3rd CWP holder in the laundromat that was packing, then this… wait, that doesn’t make any sense…. but I’m sure the NRA will find a way to capitalize on it.

RBS

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25 comments

aagcobb Thu, Sep 19, 2013 8:07:25am

Am I a bad person for finding this amusing rather than tragic?

Skip Intro Thu, Sep 19, 2013 8:20:15am

But just think, if there had just been a 3rd CWP holder in the laundromat that was packing, then this… wait, that doesn’t make any sense…. but I’m sure the NRA will find a way to capitalize on it.

Isn’t it obvious? Then that third person would have had to shoot an innocent bystander, who would be alive today if only they’d been carrying, because as we’ve been told a thousand times now, “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun”.

b.d. Thu, Sep 19, 2013 8:47:15am

It was the concealed part that is what cost them their lives.

If it was mandatory open carry then this never would have happened.

(and while driving the gun must be duct taped, or secured by some other fashion, to rear view mirror)

EPR-radar Thu, Sep 19, 2013 9:38:51am

re: #3 b.d.

It was the concealed part that is what cost them their lives.

If it was mandatory open carry then this never would have happened.

(and while driving the gun must be duct taped, or secured by some other fashion, to rear view mirror)

//

.50 cal machine guns mounted on all cars. Yipee!!

Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 19, 2013 9:45:29am

Yet two more human sacrifices for the religion known as America.

Skip Intro Thu, Sep 19, 2013 9:54:49am

re: #4 EPR-radar

.50 cal machine guns mounted on all cars. Yipee!!

What auto dealerships ought to look like in NRA Land.

Image: th.jpg

Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 19, 2013 10:00:32am

re: #4 EPR-radar

.50 cal machine guns mounted on all cars. Yipee!!

Or laser and rockets

RealityBasedSteve Thu, Sep 19, 2013 10:19:02am

re: #4 EPR-radar

.50 cal machine guns mounted on all cars. Yipee!!

I do think that having turret mounted “Ma Deuces” on the roof would make us all much more polite and considerate drivers. Maybe scale it down by an order of magnitude or so and go with with paintball guns (with a not-staining paint). That way if you see a car with lots of splotches, you know he’s a jerk driver.

RBS

nines09 Thu, Sep 19, 2013 10:19:07am

“Earlier today a concerned citizen with a CWP witnessed two men shooting at each other at an intersection in town. He shot and killed both men, stating; “Well. I didn’t know who was the bad guy and who was the good guy so I thought I’d just defend myself from the possibility that I may be shot at.”

kirkspencer Thu, Sep 19, 2013 11:32:55am

re: #8 RealityBasedSteve

I do think that having turret mounted “Ma Deuces” on the roof would make us all much more polite and considerate drivers. Maybe scale it down by an order of magnitude or so and go with with paintball guns (with a not-staining paint). That way if you see a car with lots of splotches, you know he’s a jerk driver.

RBS

snerk. No, seriously, you forgot the sarc tags.

Paintball guns legal on cars? You’d see paint everywhere. Mr. Road rage unhappy because he’s late and the person ahead is only going the speed limit? Ms. Bigot seeing one of /them/ driving? Bored teen driver? And that doesn’t even bring into the question the danger. High speed high momentum machinery being manually controlled and you want to allow people to blind the drivers. (What, you think the windshield will remain free of paint?)

The “armed society is a polite society” theory only works if people are angels. Since it’s not you get Somalia and the Tribal zone of Afghanistan.

RealityBasedSteve Thu, Sep 19, 2013 11:37:07am

re: #10 kirkspencer

snerk. No, seriously, you forgot the sarc tags.

Paintball guns legal on cars? You’d see paint everywhere. Mr. Road rage unhappy because he’s late and the person ahead is only going the speed limit? Ms. Bigot seeing one of /them/ driving? Bored teen driver? And that doesn’t even bring into the question the danger. High speed high momentum machinery being manually controlled and you want to allow people to blind the drivers. (What, you think the windshield will remain free of paint?)

The “armed society is a polite society” theory only works if people are angels. Since it’s not you get Somalia and the Tribal zone of Afghanistan.

ROFL… It’s always the implementation details that trip me up.

RBS

William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 19, 2013 2:18:58pm

re: #10 kirkspencer

The “armed society is a polite society” theory only works if people are angels. Since it’s not you get Somalia and the Tribal zone of Afghanistan.

Funny thing is that Heinlein would have agreed with you. If you read the novel that line comes from, you’ll see it’s not presented as all that good a thing. He touched on the idea later with his concept of Coventry where people who don’t want to live with societies rules can go have an anarchic paradise where might makes right.

majii Thu, Sep 19, 2013 6:01:30pm

A wild west shootout in the 21st Century—-just what the NRA and gun fetishists like.

Etaoin Shrdlu Thu, Sep 19, 2013 7:08:13pm

re: #10 kirkspencer

Paintball guns legal on cars? You’d see paint everywhere. Mr. Road rage unhappy because he’s late and the person ahead is only going the speed limit? Ms. Bigot seeing one of /them/ driving? Bored teen driver?

You need scarce virtual paint. Every driver starts off with 5 points, and gets one more per thousand miles driven. When you ‘shoot’ another driver, you expend one point and they lose one point. If your total hits 0 for any reason, you need to re-take the driving test and/or explain why you should be allowed back on the road.

Mich-again Thu, Sep 19, 2013 9:22:39pm

I think the NRA should publish official rules for a proper duel. We can’t have lawful gun owners just popping caps in each other unless its a fair contest.

Mich-again Thu, Sep 19, 2013 9:31:20pm

Carrying a gun for self defense makes you safer just like not wearing your seat belt makes you safer.

PaulT Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:10:58am

I love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.

Romantic Heretic Fri, Sep 20, 2013 9:27:22am

re: #16 Mich-again

At one forum I now lurk at, though I was a major participant for years, a poster asked the question, “If you’re walking into a bar and you’re carrying would you prefer open or concealed.”

My reply? “I’m so glad I live in a place where walking into a bar doesn’t result in an automatic dick swinging contest.”

Skip Intro Fri, Sep 20, 2013 1:04:58pm

re: #15 Mich-again

I think the NRA should publish official rules for a proper duel. We can’t have lawful gun owners just popping caps in each other unless its a fair contest.

Rules? I don’t see any stinking rules in the Holy Second Amendment, do you?

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:06:06pm

I nominate both men for a joint Darwin Award.

nines09 Fri, Sep 20, 2013 7:45:29pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

I nominate both men for a joint Darwin Award.

Posthumously, of course.

jaunte Sat, Sep 21, 2013 1:25:56pm

More on the Double Concealed Carry Killings

One of the two men involved in the shoot-out, Robert Taylor, lost his concealed carry license in 2006 after a drunken driving conviction. He was able to get his license back in 2010 after his three year suspension was over.

But he was originally charged not only with drunken driving and carried a concealed weapons while intoxicated. That would have earned him a lifetime suspension of his concealed carry license. But prosecutors decided to drop the firearms charge because the gun was, in their estimation, unrelated to Taylor’s intoxication.

docproto48 Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:18:39pm

candidates for The Darwin Awards?

docproto48 Sat, Sep 21, 2013 8:26:47pm

re: #21 nines09
Darwin awards are only posthuminous

nines09 Mon, Sep 23, 2013 2:14:50pm

re: #24 docproto48