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1 andres  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:29:09am
[…] you won’t delay it for a year so it can be fixed […]

What needs fixing that requires to be delayed a year? Doesn’t it cover conservative pearl clutching already?

Have congress pass a law to allow insurance companies to sell nationwide with national coverage.

This will not only not solve any problems, it will make insurance coverage worst.

If all you care is about money, it makes sense. If you care about people, it doesn’t.

It will never be successful as long as congress holds the purse strings.

You still have no clue how your government works.

Let the free market regulate it and make it successful

Insurance is one of the markets where free market economics makes it worst. That’s one of the many reasons most developed countries have a version of single payer.

I stopped here. Couldn’t handle that much BS this early.

2 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:11:39am

Arrrgggghhhh!!! How can “everyone be on the plan” when it’s not a fucking insurance plan?!? How many times do you have to be told that, Francis?

3 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:12:52am

re: #1 andres

What needs fixing that requires to be delayed a year? Doesn’t it cover conservative pearl clutching already?

This will not only not solve any problems, it will make insurance coverage worst.

If all you care is about money, it makes sense. If you care about people, it doesn’t.

You still have no clue how your government works.

Insurance is one of the markets where free market economics makes it worst. That’s one of the many reasons most developed countries have a version of single payer.

I stopped here. Couldn’t handle that much BS this early.

As you can tell, I’m having a difficult time dealing with it, too.

4 andres  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:31:47am

re: #3 Sionainn

As you can tell, I’m having a difficult time dealing with it, too.

History, civics, macro and micro economics, accounting… Is there a subject francis can’t mangle?

5 francis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:35:17am

re: #1 andres

You have no clue what your talking about, most of the work is contracted out to the lowest bidder and the IRS has to approve what insurance companies will sell on the exchange. Some companies won’t and the government has complete control over them

The law states that the insurance companies have to pay out 80% of premiums, that leaves them 20% to administer the program

The entire program is under government control and that is what this is all about. you liberals need to wake up.

The program has too many information and technical problems and is forcing companies to drop coverage to people and put them on Obamacare. Research what is going on in Mass and you will understand it better.

If you understood business you would know that the larger the market place the less cost to run and the more that will be paid out for services.

6 francis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:37:24am

re: #4 andres

Try using common sense and don’t worry about macro economics.

7 andres  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:44:00am

re: #5 francis

You have no clue what your talking about, most of the work is contracted out to the lowest bidder and the IRS has to approve what insurance companies will sell on the exchange. Some companies won’t and the government has complete control over them

I’m sorry, it’s you who have no clue what-so-ever of what you are talking.

The law states that the insurance companies have to pay out 80% of premiums, that leaves them 20% to administer the program

You know which other industry operates under these “heavy” regulations? Casinos. Indeed, they implored the government to regulate them this way because it guarantee their customers some payouts and take out unscrupulous casinos. Indeed, some casinos operate well above that.

Non-profit insurance companies tend to operate above the 90% payout /10% admin line.

The entire program is under government control and that is what this is all about. you liberals need to wake up.

Wake up from what? From your dudebro delusion?

The program has too many information and technical problems and is forcing companies to drop coverage to people and put them on Obamacare. Research what is going on in Mass and you will understand it better.

1) ACA isn’t forcing companies to drop people from coverage, it’s forcing them to accept them. It’s also forcing to keep their end of the bargain and not look for quick excuses to deny coverage at the first opportunity.

If you understood business you would know that the larger the market place the less cost to run and the more that will be paid out for services.

That works great… on markets that react positively to free market economics. Insurance doesn’t work that way.

re: #6 francis

Macro-economics is important, especially if you keep spouting free market dribble.

As for common sense, I use mine from this planet. From what planet is yours?

8 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:54:57am

Francis why do you insist on jumping form one letter to another and never bothering to follow up not he discussion going on in the comments on the last letter?

It makes it extremely difficult to have any sort of proper argument or conversation if you insist on so thoroughly changing the topic every day or so.

Could I convince you to please continue to respond to my comments on your prior letters?

9 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:12:44am
This is more about you and the way you rammed the plan through congress

U mad bro?

This is like to jackasses

Rotating material.

10 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:25:13pm
11 francis  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 3:10:10am

re: #7 andres

How many insurance companies do you know that are non profit?

For your information there is a law on the books in Nevada that casinos do not have to pay winners . So much for government regulation. The casinos pay because they have a built in profit and they must pay their investors.

I do use common sense, when you start a program that isn’t right it will cost more money to operate it. I don’t object to Obamacare, I object to them putting out a flawed plan that can possibly ruin the medical industry.
ACA is forcing companies to drop coverage on employees and leaving it up to uninformed individuals to get their own insurance. Do you think everyone out there knows what they are doing when it comes to health insurance?
I don’t know anything about macro economics, you mentioned that. What I do know is when you sell something for a dollar and it cost you 50 cents and another 48 cents to sell it you make 2 cents, if it cost you 52 cents to sell it you lose 2 cents. Insurance companies are not in business to lose money, even non profit companies.
Simple, if we didn’t have to pay out 46 cents of every tax dollar for our debt, do you think there would be any fiscal debate over Obamacare?

Liberals feel more than you think, try putting the two together.

12 francis  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 3:13:38am

re: #8 jamesfirecat

James I write everyday on the most current events, but I will endeavor to complete my discussion as you requested. I am not a blogger or a twitter, just a frustrated American with this wasteful and deceitful government.

13 francis  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 3:30:05am

re: #7 andres

I will give you an example of your delusion, I was in the emergency room in a hospital in Santa Fe. There were people there for 24 hours waiting for help. A woman and her sick child finally left because she was told she would have to wait even longer. This hospital never asked about health insurance until after treatment not before. I thought it was a joke when I drove into New Mexico and saw a sign for doctors needed. It was three days before they actually looked at my infected foot that they were treating with antibiotics. The result was a toe had to be removed. I do not get this type of treatment everywhere I go, but the problems are out there and they are going to get worse. Sometime you have to think beyond your own circumstances to see a clear picture. This will happen more frequently and care will be diluted because the cart is before the horse. The staff in the hospital hadn’t received a raise in three years and the next closest hospital was 70 miles away. Do you want to hear some more stories?

14 jamesfirecat  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 6:00:51am

re: #12 francis

James I write everyday on the most current events, but I will endeavor to complete my discussion as you requested. I am not a blogger or a twitter, just a frustrated American with this wasteful and deceitful government.

Okay then.

In that case what do you think of my argument from the last time we talked about this?

Healthcare is a good with no alternatives to it, because if you do not get the healthcare you need, you’re going to die.

This makes it a service which has stronger built in opportunity for collusion and price gouging than any other I can think of, which in turn means that it should be treated as a public utility which we can depend upon rather being forced to deal with the free market.

Don’t you think that is a logical argument?

If you don’t please find me some examples of other first world nations that have decided to leave healthcare to the free market and how well it is (or isn’t) working out for them,

15 jamesfirecat  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 6:02:01am

re: #12 francis

James I write everyday on the most current events, but I will endeavor to complete my discussion as you requested. I am not a blogger or a twitter, just a frustrated American with this wasteful and deceitful government.

If you only want to come here to scream about whatever is bothering you and not talk and listens and argue about why you feel the way you do, then it makes me feel like I am wasting my time responding to you Francis and that’s not very polite.

16 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 2:32:54pm

re: #11 francis

How many insurance companies do you know that are non profit?

For your information there is a law on the books in Nevada that casinos do not have to pay winners . So much for government regulation. The casinos pay because they have a built in profit and they must pay their investors.

I do use common sense, when you start a program that isn’t right it will cost more money to operate it. I don’t object to Obamacare, I object to them putting out a flawed plan that can possibly ruin the medical industry.
ACA is forcing companies to drop coverage on employees and leaving it up to uninformed individuals to get their own insurance. Do you think everyone out there knows what they are doing when it comes to health insurance?
I don’t know anything about macro economics, you mentioned that. What I do know is when you sell something for a dollar and it cost you 50 cents and another 48 cents to sell it you make 2 cents, if it cost you 52 cents to sell it you lose 2 cents. Insurance companies are not in business to lose money, even non profit companies.
Simple, if we didn’t have to pay out 46 cents of every tax dollar for our debt, do you think there would be any fiscal debate over Obamacare?

Liberals feel more than you think, try putting the two together.

My family is insured by a non-profit health trust.

Please point out where in the law casinos don’t have to pay winners. Here’s the Link to help you out.


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