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1 EPR-radar  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 2:49:41am

It is up to the GOP to end the shutdown.

2 francis  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 4:11:45am

re: #1 EPR-radar

unfortunately you are right

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 5:11:15am

re: #2 francis

Then why do you phrase it as Obama and the House playing chicken? Obama isn’t playing at anything. The House GOP are playing chicken with a brick wall.

4 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 8:21:04am

Since you never answered it yesterday…


Francis, I feel that if in an argument either side is allowed to cite evidence that can not be confirmed (for example if I claimed I had a letter from John Boehner and could tell you what it said) then have it taken as gospel it makes it impossible to have a logical and rational discussion.

Do you disagree?

5 francis  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 12:07:29pm

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Is Obama responsible for anything that happens? Should he have been discussing this situation a long time ago?

6 francis  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 12:09:10pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

agree, that is why it is dumb to include the ACA in the CR and Debt negotiations, no one knows what will happen with the ACA.

7 CuriousLurker  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 1:11:38pm

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Then why do you phrase it as Obama and the House playing chicken? Obama isn’t playing at anything. The House GOP are playing chicken with a brick wall.

Francis ignores (or is ignorant of) the fact that while it’s the President’s responsibility to submit a budget, Congress controls the purse strings and is wholly responsible for negotiating & passing said budget.

He also ignores (or is ignorant of) the fact that while both the House & Senate passed budgets (in March & April of this year, respectively), House Republicans have blocked no less than 18 separate attempts by the Senate Democrats to go to a budget conference with them. It was only during the past week—after the GOP caused the government to be shut down and America to be essentially taken hostage—that House Republicans suddenly decided it was time to sit down and negotiate, which Senate Democrats rightly refused.

Francis claims that the NY Times is one of his sources for information, yet once again he conveniently ignores (or is ignorant of) an article they published just yesterday about how this budget crisis was months in the planning by Republicans and their activists.

Regardless of whether francis is deliberately intellectually dishonest (and therefore lacking in personal integrity), or simply gullible due to ignorance, he seems oblivious as to how clownish many of his assertions sound to anyone who keeps up with current events using sources outside the wingnut bubble.

8 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 1:14:21pm

re: #6 francis

agree, that is why it is dumb to include the ACA in the CR and Debt negotiations, no one knows what will happen with the ACA.

If you agree why did you try to bring up the letter in the first place?

9 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 1:32:30pm

re: #5 francis

Is Obama responsible for anything that happens? Should he have been discussing this situation a long time ago?

He has been ‘discussing’ it for a long time. The GOP in the senate refused to appoint conferees to resolve the budget.

Spend less time writing, and more time learning basic facts about the situation.

10 EPR-radar  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 2:33:17pm

re: #9 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

He has been ‘discussing’ it for a long time. The GOP in the senate refused to appoint conferees to resolve the budget.

Spend less time writing, and more time learning basic facts about the situation.

I don’t need no stinking facts to know that it is all Obama’s fault.

11 francis  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 4:29:04pm

re: #9 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Reid appoints the conferee and if the GOP doesn’t show up then move ahead without them. I keep wondering how you define leadership? The democrats have no responsibility in this. Be fair, they all have dropped the ball. The basic fact is that could all have been avoided if the house and the senate would get along. The problem is the three leaders let other leaders creep into the situation and they can’t handle them.

Obama is just as much the blame as Reid and Boehner. They can’t stop blaming each other long enough to get the job done. If they were in a major corporation they would all be fired.

12 francis  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 4:34:32pm

re: #8 jamesfirecat

The point of the letter is they are creating this problem over a law that no one knows what the results will be. The law wasn’t only about health care. Why are there real estate taxes in the law and other taxes that don’t pertain to health care.

Reid, Boehner and Obama all deserve to be thrown out of office. You won’t like that either so I will reinforce it in my letter to them tomorrow.

13 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 6, 2013 5:13:02pm

re: #12 francis

The point of the letter is they are creating this problem over a law that no one knows what the results will be. The law wasn’t only about health care. Why are there real estate taxes in the law and other taxes that don’t pertain to health care.

Reid, Boehner and Obama all deserve to be thrown out of office. You won’t like that either so I will reinforce it in my letter to them tomorrow.

I don’t understand you Franics.

Do you think using the letter (that I could not know the contents of beyond what you said) was a bad idea or not?

Also just to be clear when I say “the letter” I am not referring to this letter, but the letter that you talked about Obama writting you.

If it was a bad idea, and a bad argument strategy, why did you bring it up in the first place?

14 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Oct 7, 2013 3:35:36am

re: #11 francis

Reid appoints the conferee and if the GOP doesn’t show up then move ahead without them.

This is not possible. You are just talking magical thinking nonsense.


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