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1 freetoken  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:22:24pm

This is wrapped up in the issue of using “whore” in this context, and SciAm’s refusal to go with that description.

Blogging has become a very touchy subject it would appear.

2 jvic  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 2:24:00pm

Our culture is coarsening. (Yes that’s a cliché, but it’s a cliché that seems appropriate.)

In my youth I had no use for facades, social conventions, and hypocrisy. Nowadays I can be tempted to put in a good word for them.

3 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 3:21:45pm

Um, whores get paid, just saying!

4 jogiff  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:29:55pm

re: #1 freetoken

Also the word urban. I was very confused in the comments why people were claiming that it was racist until I saw someone say that she wouldn’t have been called an urban whore if she hadn’t been a black woman. I don’t know whether they didn’t notice that Dr. Lee’s blog is called “Urban Scientist,” but I don’t think it was racist.

Dr. Lee didn’t seem to be offended that the word whore (or urban) was used, but that her dedication to science was being impugned because she wanted to be compensated for her expertise. Ofek might be a deluded douchebag, but let’s not throw around unfounded accusations of racism or sexism.

5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 4:39:27pm

re: #4 jogiff

Calling a woman a whore is sexist.

6 jogiff  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 7:58:49pm

re: #5 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t think it always is in this context. There are two ways that the word “whore” is used pejoratively: 1) to describe someone who enjoys sex 2) to describe someone who does things for money

While the first usage has sexist connotations because it has historically been used to demean women, I don’t think the second one is used to demean women (or at least not any more than men). In this case “whore” is being used the second way.

7 Grimalkin  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 9:19:59pm

re: #6 jogiff

I think you willfully missed the primary definition of whore and that is some one who has sex for money.

Worker, employee, contractor, laborer or associate are just some of the many words I’d use for some one who works for money.

8 jogiff  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 9:52:24pm

re: #7 Grimalkin

I’m not missing that definition, I’m just not mentioning it because it isn’t pejorative except as a subset of doing things solely for the money. The context in which the word was used in this exchange had nothing to do with sex (paid or otherwise).

And I’m not arguing that calling Dr. Lee a whore was OK, but the problem isn’t that it’s sexist. The problem is that Ofek is saying that she isn’t a real scientist trying to find and spread knowledge but that she is only interested in money. If Ofek had called Dr. Lee an “urban ‘worker, employee, contractor, laborer or associate’” it would still be insulting for the same reason (but less so).

9 Grimalkin  Sun, Oct 13, 2013 10:44:44pm

re: #8 jogiff

So you are trying to mansplain to me that the primary definition of a whore is NOT a woman selling sex for money and therefore is not a pejorative in this case. Sorry, but you sound way too educated to get away with saying that.
I know as a person I’d find that word distasteful and crude, it should not be in any business correspondence, as a women I find it high offence.

I’d have no problem being called a worker, employee, contractor, laborer or an associate, in fact I have been all except a laborer. Urban is a different story, seeing as I’m neither a city girl or black.
If you are not using the word urban to describe a city centric idea, you are dog whistling and is just as offensive, you are bright enough to know that.

10 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 2:37:23am

re: #6 jogiff

I don’t think it always is in this context.

Well, it is. “Whore” is a gendered attack, your definitions are wrong.

11 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 14, 2013 9:29:21am

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