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1 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:21:46am

A classic case of ‘liberty’ being confused with power. These people aren’t upset that their ‘liberty’ is being infringed. They’re furious that their power to decide for others is being limited.

2 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 10:53:41am

I was thinking about this very issue the other day—it’s so absurd. I’m Muslim and my sincerely held religious beliefs tell me it’s morally objectionable to pay for, provide, facilitate, or otherwise support various things that are perfectly legal here: tattoos, the consumption of alcohol, pork, etc.

If I were to take the stance these corporations are taking, then what? Should I demand that my employees sign a contract stating they won’t purchase any pork or alcohol products with the paycheck I give them? Should I refuse to pay city, state, or federal taxes lest some of the money go towards regulating or subsidizing industries that involve things I disapprove of?

How long would it be before some other religion was enforcing it’s rules on me?

It’s ridiculous. A judge would have to be nuts to set a precedent that would open that type of religious Pandora’s box.

3 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 12:30:33pm

Without passing judgment on the legal position taken by some of the plaintiffs in these cases, it is worth noting that the issue of religious liberty is oft misstated. As citizens of the United States, we are guaranteed religious liberty vis-a-vis the government, . The Constitution seeks to prevent the government, with its vast coercive powers, from taking any steps that tend toward the establishment of a State Religion, whatever that religion might be. Religious freedom is not a concept that exists as between a private employer and employee, because a private employer does not have the authority and power to create a State Religion. A private employer may not legally discriminate against an employee based upon the employee’s religion or religious beliefs, but, since a private employer does not have the power to coerce someone into being its employee — as opposed to the government, which unilaterally defines whether one is a citizen — a person who chooses to be its employee does not have a right of religious liberty.

4 BusyMonster  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 1:42:02pm

This is the same bunch of fuckers who worship at the altar of the traitorous Confederacy, and tell us they’re the big damn patriots.

The same bunch of fuckers who advocate taking away voter rights in the name of freedom.

It’s gotten to where when a winger asserts something, I don’t guess or surmise, I KNOW it is exactly the opposite of the truth.

5 Jay in Oregon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:00:11pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

It’s ridiculous. A judge would have to be nuts to set a precedent that would open that type of religious Pandora’s box.

Not if your assumption is that only the “right” kinds of religions will get to force their beliefs on others.

No Sharia law!</wingnut>

6 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:01:17pm

“Corporations are clergy too.”

7 nines09  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:51:45pm

When you get down to it, some of the “Job Creators” are fucking nuts. He/she has money=Ergo=God has Blessed them and now they know more than we. BLASPHEMY I SAY!!!!!!


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