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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 1:29:44pm

Please note: The stray rocket hit John McCain’s A-4. He was not responsible for the fire. Some recountings of the fire have gotten confused on this point.

2 freetoken  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 1:58:59pm

One cent does sound too low to pay, but on the other hand the salvager will have to spend lots of money on towing and then labor to dismantle it.

3 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 2:10:11pm

GOD DAMMIT!
That could’ve been in my backyard!

4 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:19:31pm

re: #2 freetoken
Well check out this number-
50,000 tons of scrap steel/copper/ etc.
Steel $150-$220 a ton, 60,000 tons is about $9-13million.
That assume no copper, stainless steel, (lots of that in a salt water vessel) etc.

That’s a lot of money, and remember those are scrap buyers numbers, obviously they have a profit margin they need so the real price is higher.

5 BishopX  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:05:17pm

re: #4 Political Atheist

But how much will it cost to dismantle? How much of that nice copper is wrapped in decaying asbestos?

6 Political Atheist  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 6:53:25pm

re: #5 BishopX

The generator/origin of toxics like asbestos do not lose liability with the sale. Responsibility for haz waste is forever. You can’t sell that responsibility off. IIRC fed code right.

7 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Oct 23, 2013 8:03:13pm

re: #2 freetoken

One cent does sound too low to pay, but on the other hand the salvager will have to spend lots of money on towing and then labor to dismantle it.

I know, you’d think they’d at least shell out a whole $1 for it - what’s with people these days?

8 jonhendry  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:59:07am

re: #6 Political Atheist

The point with the toxics and asbestos is that the 1 cent sale price represents a massive discount that pays for the remediation and disposal costs.

Chances are, if the Navy wanted to clean the ship up, it would have contracted that work out.

If the Navy hired a company to do the remediation and disposal prior to selling the ship for scrap, they might well have hired the same company that bought the ship. Removing the problematic materials is sure to involve some degree of dismantling anyway, and who better to do that than a firm that scraps ships?

So instead of going through a contracting process to get the remediation done, and then taking bids to sell the cleaned ship for scrap, they do both in one step, taking a nominal fee but saving a bundle on paperwork and process.

9 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:33:55am

re: #5 BishopX

But how much will it cost to dismantle? How much of that nice copper is wrapped in decaying asbestos?

Yeah, the environmental cleanup will be a nightmare. The military was probably pleased just to be rid of it.

10 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:36:59am

re: #9 Aunty Entity Dragon

Yeah, the environmental cleanup will be a nightmare. The military was probably pleased just to be rid of it.

Especially if they can’t tow it to Bangladesh and beach it with the others.

slate.com

11 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:40:59am

re: #6 Political Atheist

The generator/origin of toxics like asbestos do not lose liability with the sale. Responsibility for haz waste is forever. You can’t sell that responsibility off. IIRC fed code right.

Also true. When I was an intern with Leighton & Assoc in California (a geo-engineering firm) back in the late 80’s, I had to do toxic waste evals on properties that were under consideration for home development. I was stunned to learn that the original manufacturer of the toxic product is responsible ad infinitum for the use and disposal of the product. I saw one case where a disposal firm pocked the money to put the waste in a Class 3 landfill and just dumped everything in an empty lot before the owner skipped the country with tens of millions in profits.

The waste orginators were still hung out to dry, even though they were the ones who had been defrauded and had complied with the regulations.

12 Aunty Entity Dragon  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:43:11am

re: #10 Decatur Deb

Especially if they can’t tow it to Bangladesh and beach it with the others.

slate.com

One of those ship breaking beaches in India gets a nightmarish look in the book version of World War Z.

13 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 8:03:16am

The Navy already spent millions cleaning the ship because they were originally going to sink it as an artificial reef. After protests about the cost and continuing threat of toxic pollution coming from the ship the Navy abandoned those plans and sold it for recycling. Plans to “clean” and then sink three additional carriers were also scrapped.

BAN’s calls to the Navy to end its plans to sink the carrier began in 2008, following the Navy’s report to Congress in which the military branch clarified its intent to sink the ship as an artificial reef. By July 2009, the Navy had already spent $6.4 million removing asbestos from the vessel in preparation for ship scuttling.

BAN last year published a report, “Jobs and Dollars Overboard: The Economic Case against Dumping U.S. Naval Vessels at Sea,” which calls the Navy’s SINKEX program a significant waste of taxpayer dollars.
Link

I even saw a T.V. show (on Discovery maybe?) that went into the efforts to clean the Forrestal in preparation for its sinking as an attraction for divers.

14 Political Atheist  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 1:24:16pm

re: #13 ausador

Okay so this scrap dealer got a really $$$ cleaned up ship for a penny. I think you just proved my assertion.

15 ausador  Thu, Oct 24, 2013 9:50:35pm

re: #14 Political Atheist

Okay so this scrap dealer got a really $$$ cleaned up ship for a penny. I think you just proved my assertion.

Yep, in this case the scrap company is going to make out like a bandit and make millions, no doubt.


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