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1 ausador  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:08:51pm

Well as we have learned, all attacks on Jewish people are automatically assumed to be perpetuated by Muslims by Spencer and Geller. As usual they seem to have jumped the gun with zero evidence other than the report of anti-Jewish imprecations being yelled during the assault.

Unfortunately due to the limited reporting on the incident their assumption is impossible to completely rule out yet either, much as we would like it to be.

Time will tell…

2 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:02:57pm

Yeah, turns out they were Pacific Islanders. And Pam’s response:

Amid ongoing and suspicious mystery about the identities of the attackers, this story in Israel Hayom says that they were not Muslims. Apparently media fastidiousness about identifying perpetrators from groups that enjoy politically correct victim status is now extending to other groups as well.

Of course, no apology for getting the story completely wrong. I guess all that alcohol has destroyed the part of Pam’s brain that feels shame.

3 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:42:52pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Of course, no apology for getting the story completely wrong. I guess all that alcohol has destroyed the part of Pam’s brain that feels shame.

“One cannot destroy what never was.” — Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche*

* Not really.

4 CuriousLurker  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:18:53pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, turns out they were Pacific Islanders. And Pam’s response:

Of course, no apology for getting the story completely wrong. I guess all that alcohol has destroyed the part of Pam’s brain that feels shame.

Of course she didn’t apologize. It wasn’t Muslims this time, but maybe next time. Besides, there are undoubtedly some Muslims in Australia who would attack Jews given the opportunity, therefore all are guilty by association and can be rightfully considered suspect.

5 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:58:51pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Yeah, turns out they were Pacific Islanders. And Pam’s response:

Of course, no apology for getting the story completely wrong. I guess all that alcohol has destroyed the part of Pam’s brain that feels shame.

Pam apologize? Never. Her and Spencer want nothing more than widespread violence against Muslims.

6 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 30, 2013 7:57:52pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Spencer has his head further up his ass than Pammy does.

Based on exactly no evidence whatsoever, Spencer invents a scenario out of thin air.

Also, the mention of the facts that the attack was “racially motivated” and in a “multicultural area” makes clear the identity of these “youths” (a common mainstream media term for violent young Muslims in any case).

7 Skandal  Thu, Oct 31, 2013 5:12:47pm

Exposing old “friends” Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller as the complete fools they are is definitely most worthwhile.

However, linking to a site that promotes hate sites such as Mondoweiss, Max Blumenthal, Richard Silverstein: Tikun Olam, The Electronic Intifada, etc. is another thing altogether.

8 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 8:33:49am

re: #7 Skandal

Okay, I’ll bite. I have to admit I’m confused. You approved of the comment below from Buck’s Page last month when the subject of the article was in defense of Israel, even though the source site (INN) promotes all sorts of nastiness and the same essay was available elsewhere:

Great article irrespective of the source.

littlegreenfootballs.com

How was that different?

9 Skandal  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 5:26:07pm

re: #8 CuriousLurker

You make an excellent point, as usual. You were the one who actually convinced me of the merit of disapproving of a link to an article, irrespective of its worthiness or veracity, if the source associates itself with reprehensible sites or individuals.

Your point is well taken in this case and I truly appreciate you pointing out this contradiction of mine. I will strive for more consistency.

I’ve been very torn about Loon Watch for some time. On the one hand, their goal of exposing Islamaphobia kooks for what they are is to be applauded. On the other hand, I don’t see the necessity of associating so frequently with so many sites whose sole purpose is to demonize Israel. Anyway, as I said, your views and arguments are always greatly valued by myself. Take care and all the best.

10 CuriousLurker  Fri, Nov 1, 2013 11:24:19pm

re: #9 Skandal

Thanks for your honesty and also for your empathy in understanding Muslims’ dilemma at being caught between the need to expose & push back against Islamophobia, while at the same time not come across as intolerant bigots ourselves because of the language we use or the websites & organizations we associate ourselves with.

This is doubly true because of people like Geller & Spencer et al are constantly watching, ready to pounce on the slightest mistake and magnify it x100. Additionally, unlike anti-Semitism, Islamophobia is seen as acceptable in far too many circles—hell, there are people who refuse to admit it even exists, claiming it’s just an attempt to escape criticism or, even worse, that it’s nothing more than an excuse to act as apologists for extremism.

We’re basically where Jews were at 100 years ago: We’re regarded as highly suspicious outsiders with unfamiliar beliefs practices who haven’t assimilated quickly or thoroughly enough to suit many, and are therefore suddenly perceived as being too numerous and possibly dangerous. This begets blood libels and conspiracy theories about the often vague yet ominous & omnipresent existential threat we supposedly pose.

If we (Jews & Muslims) could learn to trust each other a little more and stop arguing over a conflict happening half a world away that we have zero control over, I personally think we Muslims could learn a lot from you guys. We could learn how to build organizations that help us have a more legitimate, respected voice while also helping us to defend our families & communities from the inevitable bigots who wish nothing but ill on all who they deem “other”.

11 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 12:09:48am

re: #7 Skandal

…hate sites such as Mondoweiss, Max Blumenthal, Richard Silverstein: Tikun Olam, The Electronic Intifada, etc. is another thing altogether.

P.S. FWIW, I think I follow Loonwatch on Twitter, but I don’t follow the website closely as I don’t really care for the tone of some of the articles I’ve read there in the past, so I never really paid any attention to who they promote.

I’m familiar with Max Blumenthal through his book Republican Gomorrah, which I thought was excellent and would have been even better if he’d left out the armchair psychoanalysis. I knew he was considered pretty far left and often angered more centrist & right-leaning Jews, but I didn’t know he was generally considered a hater or an anti-Semite on a par with Geller or Spencer.

I’d never heard the name Richard Silverstein until today, but I have run across his Tikun Olam blog a few times. I didn’t find anyhting of particular interest to me there and, again, as with Blumenthal, I was unaware he was generally considered a hater or an anti-Semite.

Mondoweiss, meh—another one I’ve run across a couple of times, but didn’t find particularly compelling. As with the previous two, it seemed pretty far left, but I was unaware it was generally considered a hate/anti-Semitic site.

As for Electronic Intifada, ugh—any site that immediately assails me with photos of violence and/or hyperbolic language designed to trigger my emotions loses me right away. I resent obvious attempts to manipulate me. Ditto for sites (or people) who employ propaganda-speak—I loathe it every bit as much as I loathe corporate-speak…both cause my eyes to glaze over in a matter of seconds.

If you can’t make your case in plain, rational, civil language using established facts & concrete examples, then I’m really not interested in hearing your side of the story, you know what I mean? It’s one of the reasons I gave up on the possibility of ever having a fruitful conversation with Buck (and a couple of others here). I have little patience for melodrama.

12 Skandal  Sat, Nov 2, 2013 9:01:16pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

Sorry for the delayed response. Life has a way of intervening at the most inopportune times.
Once again, point well taken. It does behoove one to back up one’s assertions with actual evidence/arguments as opposed to simply stating things as facts or givens. I specifically avoided making any reference to “anti-semitism” per se but to varying degrees the term does indeed apply to the examples of questionable associations Loon Watch promotes. If you wish I would gladly engage in a civil, respectful and constructive exchange of views. Below are just a few examples of what I was referring to.

Regarding Max Blumenthal, please read this review in The Nation (a very progressive magazine, as I’m sure you know) of Blumenthal’s current book about Israel. It sums up very well why Blumenthal is justifiably referred to as a hate promoter.

As for Mondoweiss it is not even remotely left wing. As is commonly assumed or presumed. The founder, Phil Weiss, used to write for many years for Pat Buchanan’s American Conservative magazine. DailyKos banned people several years ago from linking to Mondoweiss.

A great article from Tablet: Mondo Weiss.

A Reminder That Anti-Semitism Has No Place in Debates Over Israel

An excellent collection of Mondoweiss’s hatred

As for Richard Silverstein, he isn’t really to be taken seriously but his crudity and viciousness is very well known by those who follow this issue. He has been successfully sued for libel for his relentless attacks against those whom he disagrees with on this issue.

The co-founder of Electronic Intifada, Ali Abunimah, is one of the most outspoken and prolific voices in the twitisphere on this issue. Yet, even MJ Rosenberg, who himself has been accused of anti-semitism, write recently about Ali’s hate speech: Mondoweiss Demands I Apologize To Ali Abunimah For Calling Him An Anti-Semite

I hope this clarifies to some extent why I wrote what I did and please let me know what you consider of the above requires any further elaboration. I definitely despise Islamophobia in any form. In addition, the degree to which anti-semitism is any less prevalent than a 100 years ago is debatable.
Thanks again for your response(s). They are truly appreciated and always food for thought. I’m definitely looking forward to future discussions.

13 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:09:59am

re: #12 Skandal

Sorry for the delayed response. Life has a way of intervening at the most inopportune times.

No need to apologize, I’m just glad you were able to return. Thanks for taking the time to do so.

Once again, point well taken. It does behoove one to back up one’s assertions with actual evidence/arguments as opposed to simply stating things as facts or givens. I specifically avoided making any reference to “anti-semitism” per se but to varying degrees the term does indeed apply to the examples of questionable associations Loon Watch promotes. If you wish I would gladly engage in a civil, respectful and constructive exchange of views. Below are just a few examples of what I was referring to.

Just to clarify, when I said “If you can’t make your case in plain, rational, civil language using established facts & concrete examples, then…” I meant “you” in the figurative/collective sense, not you personally. That said, many thanks for the interesting links—I’ll be sure to read them all.

You’re absolutely right that you didn’t mention anti-Semitism per se. I guess I just assumed it since it seems to come up more often than not whenever discussions involving Jews or Israel get contentious.

Regarding Mondoweiss not being left wing, I had no idea! Thanks for the correction. I guess it exists in that strange “moronic convergence” Venn diagram space where far-left & far-right overlap and it becomes difficult to distinguish between them. I see one of the articles you have about it is from Tablet—I’ve really enjoyed some of the in-depth articles I’ve read there as they seemed to be well researched & thoughtful. Now that you’ve reminded me about it, I need to go subscribe to their mailing list…

Regarding MJ Rosenberg & Ali Abunimah, heh, yeah, I heard about that one. Someone here mentioned it in a thread, so I briefly went to go see what caused the kerfuffle.

I hope this clarifies to some extent why I wrote what I did and please let me know what you consider of the above requires any further elaboration. I definitely despise Islamophobia in any form. In addition, the degree to which anti-semitism is any less prevalent than a 100 years ago is debatable.

It does indeed clarify what you wrote, and I won’t hesitate to ask if I have any questions after reading everything.

BTW, when I mentioned Muslims being where Jews were 100 years ago, I didn’t mean to imply that we’re living in some sort of post-anti-semitic utopia, but rather that American Jews have managed to build strong national organizations (like the ADL) dedicated to combating anti-semitism & other forms of bigotry, and to advocating for their interests & protecting their civil rights. I’m aware they also perform these services for others, but their primary focus is nonetheless the Jewish people (and there’s nothing wrong with that—most minorities have similar organizations).

Thanks again for your response(s). They are truly appreciated and always food for thought. I’m definitely looking forward to future discussions.

Right back at you. ;)

14 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:46:18pm

re: #12 Skandal

Okay, what you’ve shown us about Mondowiess is pretty disturbing. I had one or two really serious doubts about them before, but I had no idea the site had been banned by DailyKos or that they were engaged in stuff like that.

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I’ve been in contact with the folks at Loon Watch for a long time. I think I’m going to have to bring it up with them.

15 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:49:27pm

re: #12 Skandal

Really glad you brought this up and I saw it before the post went into archive mode preventing me from responding.

16 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:24:40pm

Hi

I’m a regular on Daily Kos, and yes I agree that Mondoweiss is anti-semitic not just their articles but what they promote on their comments. I also agree that LoonWatch is an anti-semitc site. who runs it? At least we know Mondoweiss, Silverstein and othes are self hating, and Ali abunima is a notorious Israel critic and anti semite. And I am surprised that Loon Watch is being promoted here. If I recall they attack moderate muslims like Tarek Fatah and Asra Nomani as self hating Muslims while promoting self hating Jews like Mondoweiss, Silverstein etc. They do also promote islamist muslims whilst denouncing moderates. Ali Abunima is just one.


This first blog monitors hate on the internet. Franklin Lamb is another anti-semite self hating Jew Loon Watch promoted. The second blog is a relatively new one but has some interesting exposures about Loon Watch and their Islamist tendencies.


Loonwatch Supports Another Anti-Semite
chroniclinghate.wordpress.com

Loon Watch’s Ilisha Recommends American Saudi Blogger Who Claims Netanyahu and Obama Orchestrated Terror Attacks to Blame Islam
loonwatchexposed.blogspot.com

17 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:33:05pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

MJ Rosenberg a long time friend of ali abunima dumped him for his attacks on Israel. When he fell out with Abunima,, gilad Atzmon said that Abunima had told him to replace ‘Jew’ with ‘zionist’ so he won’t be called anti-semitic that way.

Gilad Atzmon: Ali Abunimah Asked Me To Lie
israellycool.com

18 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:36:05pm

re: #16 Distilled78

Welcome, hatchling.

19 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:37:11pm

re: #14 CriticalDragon1177


A long time? Who are Loon Watch? I’ve heard it’s Nathan Lean behind Loon Watch, but I don’t believe that. I’m surprised Chuck allows you to source them. He used to be Pro Israel at one time

20 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:37:58pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Thank you wenchling ;-)

21 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:45:21pm

re: #14 CriticalDragon1177

CriticalDragon I think Loon Watch were on Daily Kos too, and banned. I do recall as I am a heavy poster there.

22 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:54:06pm

re: #17 Distilled78

MJ Rosenberg a long time friend of ali abunima dumped him for his attacks on Israel. When he fell out with Abunima,, gilad Atzmon said that Abunima had told him to replace ‘Jew’ with ‘zionist’ so he won’t be called anti-semitic that way.

Gilad Atzmon: Ali Abunimah Asked Me To Lie
israellycool.com

Now you have linked to a source that was banned from here.

israellycool

This user is blocked.

Karma: 3,336
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 9:33 pm

No. of comments posted: 193
No. of links posted: 1,819

Sources are tricky things, are they not?

23 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:59:17pm

re: #22 wrenchwench

Oh. I did not know that. Sorry. Do you know why? And are you sure karma was Israellycool? It’s a pro Israel site.

24 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:15:36pm

re: #23 Distilled78

Oh. I did not know that. Sorry. Do you know why? And are you sure karma was Israellycool? It’s a pro Israel site.

‘Karma’ is a tally of the up- and down-dings he received on his comments. The commenter was Aussie Dave.

‘Pro-Israel site’ alone does not guarantee a good source, just as ‘anti-Islamophobia site’ alone does not guarantee a good source.

25 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:31:50pm

I’m biased myself, and I read Israellycool. I knew about Pam and Bobbie being old posters here, but I did not know Dave was. If it’s not cool here, then of course I would respect that.

And yes, totally agree with the ‘source’ part. That being said, I did present other neutral sources, dedicated to exposing Loon Watch and their anti-semitic agenda.

I am a mere commenter, my link to Israellycool was a faux pax out of ignorance, whereas ‘Criticaldragon” sourced a dubious site which most probably has islamists behind it otherwise they would not be afraid to come out and say who they are, and doesn’t deserve to be presented as a neutral hate watch site, like SPLC. SPLC genuinely fight hate, are not anti Zionist or anti anything except anti hate.

I guess what I mean to say is when someone says they are long term affiliates of a site with a dubious agenda then maybe they are being used as dupes. Islamists like to hide between liberals and use them as a front or as ‘useful idiots. I do not mean to offend CriticalDragon, just voicing my concerns. I hope he takes this in the spirit it is offered. Cheers.

26 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:35:02pm

re: #25 Distilled78

I didn’t care much for your ‘neutral sites’ either, but I am out of time to discuss them today. SPLC I like.

See you around.

27 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:35:08pm

re: #16 Distilled78

This first blog monitors hate on the internet. Franklin Lamb is another anti-semite self hating Jew Loon Watch promoted. The second blog is a relatively new one but has some interesting exposures about Loon Watch and their Islamist tendencies.

Loonwatch Supports Another Anti-Semite
chroniclinghate.wordpress.com

Loon Watch’s Ilisha Recommends American Saudi Blogger Who Claims Netanyahu and Obama Orchestrated Terror Attacks to Blame Islam
loonwatchexposed.blogspot.co.uk

Hello & welcome.

The first blog seems to be almost exclusively focused on Loonwatch with the exception of a handful of posts, so it’s not really correct to say it “monitors hate on the internet”. Where are the articles about ethnic cleansing/genocide, Islamophobia, misogyny, racism, etc.? I could find little or no mention of those issues unless it was in relation to claiming Loonwatch supported them when they were committed by Muslims.

I aslo found posts like this one troublesome:

Loonwatch Supports the Taliban

Unlike Geller I didn’t celebrate news of marines relieving themselves on clerofascists; its silly to condemn or praise trivial misconduct. As usual danios CnPs a salon article that is strongly pro-taliban, the author whines on about how “human” they are and so on; no sane person would cite biology as a reason to let genocidists off the hook. […]

In my book desecration of corpses isn’t “trivial misconduct”. It’s not something civilized individuals do, regardless of who is doing the desecrating or whose corpse is being desecrated, The tone of other posts doesn’t help either, nor does the fact that in many cases there’s no link to the original (source) article.

As for the second blog, there’s not much there yet, but I’m not impressed with what I see. Blogs that are dedicated exclusively (or nearly exclusively) to monitoring a single other blog strike me as creepily obsessive…stalkerish.

re: #17 Distilled78

MJ Rosenberg a long time friend of ali abunima dumped him for his attacks on Israel. When he fell out with Abunima,, gilad Atzmon said that Abunima had told him to replace ‘Jew’ with ‘zionist’ so he won’t be called anti-semitic that way.

Gilad Atzmon: Ali Abunimah Asked Me To Lie
israellycool.com

I’m not interested in isreallycool’s blog. As wrenchwench has already pointed out, he’s someone who has been banned from here. I’ll leave it at that.

28 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 3:44:30pm

re: #25 Distilled78

I guess what I mean to say is when someone says they are long term affiliates of a site with a dubious agenda then maybe they are being used as dupes. Islamists like to hide between liberals and use them as a front or as ‘useful idiots. I do not mean to offend CriticalDragon, just voicing my concerns. I hope he takes this in the spirit it is offered. Cheers.

CriticalDragon is a recovering wingnut, not a “useful idiot” liberal. In fact, IIRC, CD used to believe the things Geller & Spencer would write and finally realized that it was BS (perhaps with the help of LW, but I’m not sure).

A little piece of advice, feel free to take it or leave it: The whole spooky-Islamists-are-lurking-in-the-shadows so be very, very leery lest they trick you with their taqiyyah thing really isn’t going to fly well here.

29 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:04:30pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

I didn’t say ‘taqiya’, please don’t put words into my mouth. Your comments mean that since Loon Watch is ‘eerily stalkerish’ of Islamophobes, it has a fixation on Robert Spencer and Pamella Geller. Also because they only claim to monitor hate against Muslims which in reality translates to political enemies of Islam like Israel and Zionism. It’s eery that you appear to be defending a site like this?

As for your last sentence, I think your assertion that Islamists can’t be lurking in the shadows is false. Take this recent case, see url below. His past fooled the establishment.

My assertion is perfectly valid considering that we do not know who or what is ‘lurking in the shadows’ behind Loon Watch, unless of course CriticalDragon knows since he said he has a long time affiliation with them, in which case, I would be perfectly happy to withdraw my concerns. If however we don’t then it’s a dubious site for all we know it could have someone like the guy below behind it.

A Muslim leader living in London has been sentenced to death after being found guilty of war crimes in his native Bangladesh.
news.sky.com
Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin, who was involved in setting up the Muslim Council of Britain, was sentenced in his absence at a special war crimes tribunal in his home country.

30 Distilled78  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:10:24pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Dude, then there is a very good chance that Critical Dragon went from one blind end to another. There is no difference between Robert Spencer’s site (he is at least honest and doesn’t lurk in the shadows) and sites like Loon Watch which stalk him obsessively as you noted. So by your own definition it is weird. Thank you for unwittingly stating my case. Over to you, CriticalDragon.

31 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 4:24:31pm

re: #30 Distilled78

Look, both Curious Lurker and I took what Skandal very seriously especially after he started backing up his assertions. Its just that your sources for the most part seem to be a bit lower quality, to put it bluntly.

Also, about the sky news article you linked to, its not that I don’t trust that source, however, no one at Loon Watch denies that there are some Muslims who are violent extremists or Muslims who commit war crimes. I don’t think you brought up Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin until your second to last comment. In addition, the article also doesn’t even mention Loon Watch, so I don’t think that does much to refute them.

Curious Lurker also never stated that there are no Muslims who pretend to be moderates but really are not. Off course that says nothing about Islam, because the same is true for people belonging to other religions as well.

32 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:06:32pm

re: #29 Distilled78

I didn’t say ‘taqiya’, please don’t put words into my mouth.

No, but you strongly implied it with your talk of dubious agendas, dupes and using useful idiot liberals as a front:

re: #25 Distilled78

I guess what I mean to say is when someone says they are long term affiliates of a site with a dubious agenda then maybe they are being used as dupes. Islamists like to hide between liberals and use them as a front or as ‘useful idiots. […]

Moving on…

Your comments mean that since Loon Watch is ‘eerily stalkerish’ of Islamophobes, it has a fixation on Robert Spencer and Pamella Geller.

No, they don’t mean that. I said:

re: #27 CuriousLurker

Blogs that are dedicated exclusively (or nearly exclusively) to monitoring a single other blog strike me as creepily obsessive…stalkerish.

Try to pay more attention to what was actually said.

Also because they only claim to monitor hate against Muslims which in reality translates to political enemies of Islam like Israel and Zionism.

Really? Then explain this. While you’re at it take a stroll through my past pages—there are nearly 500 of them posted over the course of the past 3.5 years here—and look at the many other examples I’ve provided of Muslims & Jews working together.

It’s eery that you appear to be defending a site like this?

You know what’s even eerier? That you apparently totally ignored the very civil & informative discussion I was having with Skandal about sources. You also seem to have missed this:

re: #11 CuriousLurker

FWIW, I think I follow Loonwatch on Twitter, but I don’t follow the website closely as I don’t really care for the tone of some of the articles I’ve read there in the past, so I never really paid any attention to who they promote.

Yeah, uh-huh, that’s me clearing jumping up to defend LW. I’m beginning to think there might be some confirmation bias going on here. //

As for your last sentence, I think your assertion that Islamists can’t be lurking in the shadows is false. Take this recent case, see url below. His past fooled the establishment.

I asserted that Islamists can’t be lurking in the shadows? Please indicate exactly where by quoting the relevant passage and providing the comment #.

If you don’t want to make a fool of yourself, I suggest you go back and read this thread carefully from beginning to end, then use the profile viewer to familiarize yourself with the history & views of the commenters in this thread and the general outlook of the LGF community. Or don’t—I’m simply suggesting it as that’s what I’d do if I were going to enter into a discussion over at DKos, especially one that had the potential to inflame emotions and end in a brawl with everyone feeling angry & resentful.

I’m not gonna go there with you. Either be rational, civil & stick to facts, or we’re done.

33 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 5:15:37pm

re: #30 Distilled78

Dude, then there is a very good chance that Critical Dragon went from one blind end to another. There is no difference between Robert Spencer’s site (he is at least honest and doesn’t lurk in the shadows) and sites like Loon Watch which stalk him obsessively as you noted. So by your own definition it is weird. Thank you for unwittingly stating my case. Over to you, CriticalDragon.

Robert Spencer is honest?

Don’t try to psychoanalyze CriticalDragon after having spent all of a couple of hours here—it makes you look silly & petty. Further discussion is clearly going to be waste of my time & effort. I’m done here.


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Gary Clark Jr. - Pearl Cadillac - Live at Lollapalooza 2019, Saturday August 3, 2019
Thanos
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 190811Yesterday we began some backfilling. Dumping sand between the sandbags we laid last week and the pool wall. Then raking flat, and tamping down. After that we build more sandbag wall, then more sand, etc., till we get to the ...
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The Black Keys - Go [‘Let’s Rock’ Tour Rehearsals] Watch the tour rehearsal video for “Go” now ⚡ Catch the band on the "Let's Rock" Tour this Autumn. Get tickets now at theblackkeys.com 2019 TOUR DATESSep 21 | Las Vegas, NVSep 23 | Denver, CO Sep 24 | ...
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THE IMPOSTORS - Don’t Get Mad (1980) Here's a band I sometimes skipped meals to pay the cover for in the early '80's - The Impostors. Johnny Campbell, the drummer, would also sometimes work as Jo Allen and the Shapes drummer when Jo Allen (also a ...
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Elizabeth Warren Introduces Sweeping Gun Control Plan Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren introduced a sweeping gun control plan Saturday with the goal of reducing gun deaths by 80% through executive action and legislation. "You've got to start with a goal. I haven't heard anybody else talk about ...
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