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1 BusyMonster  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 1:27:27pm

I work in Kentucky. I wish I still lived here so I could have the pleasure of voting this intellectual midget out of office and onto the streets on his ear.

2 Strangeite  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:05:53pm

re: #1 BusyMonster

I live in Kentucky and right now I am focused on McConnell.

Speaking of whom, does anyone on LGF know how to find out when and how specific federal regulations were changed? Sometime in the last 18 months the Code of Federal Regulations were quietly changed on how straight bourbons are labeled. For many years, if a straight bourbon was aged less than 4 years, it had to be labeled so on the bottle. Now it is 2 years.

As a Kentuckian and bourbon lover, I was shocked to discover this. I would love to know whom is responsible for the devaluing of our signature product.

Here is the link to the specific regulation.

3 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 2:35:06pm

re: #2 Strangeite

I live in Kentucky and right now I am focused on McConnell.

Speaking of whom, does anyone on LGF know how to find out when and how specific federal regulations were changed? Sometime in the last 18 months the Code of Federal Regulations were quietly changed on how straight bourbons are labeled. For many years, if a straight bourbon was aged less than 4 years, it had to be labeled so on the bottle. Now it is 2 years.

As a Kentuckian and bourbon lover, I was shocked to discover this. I would love to know whom is responsible for the devaluing of our signature product.

Here is the link to the specific regulation.

You need to see a different section.

5.22 (the section you cite) says that it has to be aged more than two years to be called straight bourbon.
5.40 (my section) says that if it’s aged less than four years the label has to state the age - which is your question.

4 Strangeite  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 8:23:23pm

re: #3 kirkspencer

I am not sure what to tell you.

Recently, there have been several bourbons labeled as “straight” go on the market that have been aged less than four years. All of the references to it needing to be labeled 4 years, reference the page I linked.

I discovered the first regulation after debating someone about Trader Joe’s bourbon that recently went on sale. It says nothing about age, which I insisted meant it had to be four years. Here is a link to their COLA application.

Since then, I have asked several people around here and the answer I have received is that 1) Yes, it appears straight is being applied to bourbons and whiskey aged less than four years and 2) Nobody knows exactly when and how the change happened.

5 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 5, 2013 3:03:45am

re: #4 Strangeite

I am not sure what to tell you.

Recently, there have been several bourbons labeled as “straight” go on the market that have been aged less than four years. All of the references to it needing to be labeled 4 years, reference the page I linked.

I discovered the first regulation after debating someone about Trader Joe’s bourbon that recently went on sale. It says nothing about age, which I insisted meant it had to be four years. Here is a link to their COLA application.

Since then, I have asked several people around here and the answer I have received is that 1) Yes, it appears straight is being applied to bourbons and whiskey aged less than four years and 2) Nobody knows exactly when and how the change happened.

I looked it up and I’m not sure it ever changed. What you’re seeing now but maybe never saw before are non-bonded bourbon whiskeys. Bonded bourbon whiskey still needs to be aged for four years, among other things. All bonded whiskeys are straight, not all straight whiskeys are bottled in bond.


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