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1 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:09:34am

uh-huh.

So where were their complaints during the previous administration’s habit of the same practice?

2 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:38:11am

re: #1 kirkspencer

uh-huh.

So where were their complaints during the previous administration’s habit of the same practice?

Does this look like a GOP shill or Fox News to you?


Santiago Lyon

Santiago Lyon (Born 1966 in Madrid, Spain) is Vice President and Director of Photography of The Associated Press, responsible for the global photo report and the hundreds of photographers and photo editors worldwide who produce it. He has 28 years of experience in news-service photography and has won multiple photojournalism awards for his coverage of conflicts around the globe. He joined the Associated Press in 1991 in Cairo, after previously having worked for the Spanish news agency EFE, United Press International and Reuters. Lyon served as the Associated Press photo editor for Spain and Portugal from 1995 until 2003, when he was named director of photography. In the same year, he accepted a Nieman Fellowship in journalism at Harvard University. In 2005, under Lyon’s direction, the Associated Press earned its 29th Pulitzer Prize for photography, for work on the war in Iraq by a team of eleven photographers, five of them Iraqis. In 2007, the Associated Press won its 30th Pulitzer Prize for photography, for a single image made by Oded Balilty.

3 b_sharp  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:46:58am

Damn president - no way to make money off of photographs if we can’t take the photographs.

I really don’t think this is about transparency or media control.

If you really want to see how a leader controls the media you need to look to PM Harper in Canada. The AP should be bitching about him.

4 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:50:59am

And this is different from every other recent Presidency how?

5 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:55:54am

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

So by your thinking future Presidents are immune from this kind of criticism because past presidents made the same mistake? I don’t get it. Note the Update above.

6 Snarknado!  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 7:57:23am

I’m sorry if the AP wants to get pictures in the Oval Office taken by their own people… but seriously, can anyone tell me why it should matter to me ? It’s not as if they’re going to be taking candid shots either way. (And why, after all, should they be able to?)

7 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:24:48am

re: #6 Snarknado!

(And why, after all, should they be able to?)

History’s sake. That’s one good reason.
Examples-. It’s just a Bing search. Candid shots in Oval Office

Or let me say I’m glad we have this shot-
Image: Richard_Nixon_candid_in_the_Oval_Office.jpg

Staged images are like scripted lines. Candor beats scripts. Candid shots beat staged shots, same logic.

8 cinesimon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:51:07am

Their understanding of the term “propaganda” is rather laughable. And sadly a common problem.
I wonder - what policy is it that the government is trying to push with this “propaganda”?
I wonder - what angle would the AP go for when photographing the president during informal moments, that would make one iota of difference to policy?

They might get a pick of him not getting a hoop! ‘President fails like the website’! SCANDAL!

This is just another sign of where their priorities lie. Not with news. Not with the world. No with informing viewers. But with getting informal shots of the president.

Pathetic.

9 cinesimon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:52:19am

re: #7 Political Atheist

You want AP photogs to be allowed into the oval office?
That’s a bit odd.

10 cinesimon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 8:58:56am

re: #6 Snarknado!

Job protection. Knowing that actual news and actual research and actually informing the public is not something that works for them.
But pretty pictures do. And given they’re using the term ‘propaganda’, clearly they think the president isn’t the person he presents himself to be - and they want to be able to prove it with their non-propaganda photo ops!

11 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:01:54am

re: #9 cinesimon

From time to time, like in some past Presidencies.

Are ardent supporters of the President so sensitive as to forget the value over decades of candid honest photography as a valuable thing? Relax people this is not Fox reportage, it’s not an election year. A more open policy is good for understanding our President. Every President. Heck might even make him look good.

Image: Obamacandid.jpg

12 cinesimon  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:06:07am

re: #11 Political Atheist

But you haven’t even provided an example. And using Nixon - clearly without bothering to find out who took the shot and under what circumstances - is not relevant anyway. Long long ago. You want the bowling lanes back too?

And yeah that’s for the physic check up - this is all about my worship of Obama. Can’t be anything else.

For fucks sake. What a way to respond.

13 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:25:37am

re: #12 cinesimon

And yeah that’s for the physic check up - this is all about my worship of Obama. Can’t be anything else.

For fucks sake. What a way to respond.

Did you see where Clintons guy agreed?
Dude the search was candid shots. Sheesh. Nixon is irrelevant? Where is your sense of history? His administration still resonates, as in China, and Watergate as a cautionary tale.

Five presidents from now the photography of today will be a leading source of perspective about our president.

14 Timothy Watson  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 9:55:47am

Really, voluntarily taking staged photos and printing them is better than printing staged photos taken by the administration?

15 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 10:05:00am

What kinds of photos do they expect to get? ‘Candid’ paparazzi shots of Michelle picking her nose, or the President scratching his balls?

16 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 11:19:05am

re: #14 Timothy Watson

re: #15 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

You two skipped the links that show what we have had in the past.

Oh well.

17 kirkspencer  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 12:54:05pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

Does this look like a GOP shill or Fox News to you?

Santiago Lyon

Santiago Lyon (Born 1966 in Madrid, Spain) is Vice President and Director of Photography of The Associated Press, responsible for the global photo report and the hundreds of photographers and photo editors worldwide who produce it. He has 28 years of experience in news-service photography and has won multiple photojournalism awards for his coverage of conflicts around the globe. He joined the Associated Press in 1991 in Cairo, after previously having worked for the Spanish news agency EFE, United Press International and Reuters. Lyon served as the Associated Press photo editor for Spain and Portugal from 1995 until 2003, when he was named director of photography. In the same year, he accepted a Nieman Fellowship in journalism at Harvard University. In 2005, under Lyon’s direction, the Associated Press earned its 29th Pulitzer Prize for photography, for work on the war in Iraq by a team of eleven photographers, five of them Iraqis. In 2007, the Associated Press won its 30th Pulitzer Prize for photography, for a single image made by Oded Balilty.

I see nothing in that saying he doesn’t look like a Republican shill.

I see you’ve posted about candids for Clinton and before. But where are the oval office candids for W?

I stand by my statement. I would take the present complaints more seriously had there been complaints during the previous administration.

18 becominginvisible  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 2:35:17pm

My first thought at the complaint is that AP doesn’t own the shot. When their photographer goes to an event any photos he takes and is used is copyright and AP gets credit/paid for any use of that image. I may be wrong but I assume AP has joined other news outlets who also claim copyright to any image sent to them as when news site post “are you there? send us your photos”. It’s probably not a complaint about access for photos, it’s about access to photos they can copyright. While I understand the value of candid photos I would think it has been years since the White House staff would want to be followed around by photographers. Or that allowing a raft (large or small) of photographers to follow the President though his day of briefings would somehow be holding him accountable in any way. Perhaps that he hasn’t spent more time on vacation that working, and family vacations are off limits, hasn’t allowed much time for photo ops. And I do understand the historical significance of candid photos, but the military paranoia and need for secrecy in briefings have probably destroyed the possibility of private photographers getting “unscripted” photos.

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:08:45pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

Does this look like a GOP shill or Fox News to you?

…snip…

The article you link to is via Daily Caller. Hardly a neutral source.
Which is to say, yes, it looks like a GOP shill.

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:32:14pm

Sorry RWC but this really just sounds like a case of sour grapes on the part of AP.

21 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:33:05pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

The article you link to is via Daily Caller. Hardly a neutral source.
Which is to say, yes, it looks like a GOP shill.

Do you think the man was misquoted? He has made no retraction. You are ignoring his credentials. The Daily Caller is more likely to run with a critical story than others. So there is that. But where do the facts fall? Lets say he overstated “propaganda”. Where does that leave the question of access?

22 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:34:30pm

re: #20 William Barnett-Lewis

Do you think they are factually wrong about the level of access?

23 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 3:56:24pm

re: #17 kirkspencer

Lets say W had the same policy. (Not at all sure about it either way) Why is it ok for Obama to continue the same mistake? I don’t see where the one validates the other at all. I’m not calling for daily access. But something on the order of monthly or quarterly is hardly unreasonable.

Here’s what I stand behind. History matters and outside less controlled photography is one of the last bastions of functioning journalism. Again, many Presidents from now, photography will help shape the perception of this Presidency as it should.

24 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 12, 2013 5:37:55pm

Anyone who gave +1 to the partisan issue about GWB and WH access.
Why is it cool to continue the mistake? Help me understand whats up.

25 ObserverArt  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:00:34am

Let me start by saying I haven’t read all of this, but I have a question and maybe it has already been asked, so sorry if that is the case.

Does President Obama have a personal photographer in place?

I seem to remember many presidents having an on staff photographer to record history. Are not many of the great photographs we’ve seen done by their own photographer? And aren’t a lot of those images released after the president leaves office?

And where do the images we’ve seen of him with the cute kids coming from? The image of him with his foot up on the desk as he talks on the phone? I doubt those were AP.

26 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:14:23am

re: #25 ObserverArt

Let me start by saying I haven’t read all of this, but I have a question and maybe it has already been asked, so sorry if that is the case.

Does President Obama have a personal photographer in place?

I seem to remember many presidents having an on staff photographer to record history. Are not many of the great photographs we’ve seen done by their own photographer? And aren’t a lot of those images released after the president leaves office?

And where do the images we’ve seen of him with the cute kids coming from? The image of him with his foot up on the desk as he talks on the phone? I doubt those were AP.

Yes. They have Pete Souza (or possibly de Souza) now. Shoots good stuff.
I think it’s totally normal to have an ‘in-house’, but the argument is about how much access outsiders get. There could never be enough from the POV of the competitive press.

27 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 13, 2013 6:19:57am

Pete Souza Google Image cache:

google.com

The shot with the skeptical olympian is a classic.

Image: Pete-Souza-White-House.png


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