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1 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 9:32:37am

Can anyone tell me what they think is wrong with the act or the concept?

2 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:03:57am

re: #1 Political Atheist

Can anyone tell me what they think is wrong with the act or the concept?

I don’t know if I’d find fault with the act, but I can find fault with the analogy between ‘online’ and ‘offline’ privacy.

When you’re ‘offline’, and you throw something in the garbage and take it out of your house, nobody needs a warrant or a subpoena to look at it. Isn’t putting something on the internet more like that than it is like having it in a drawer in your house?

3 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 10:35:29am

re: #2 wrenchwench

I don’t know if I’d find fault with the act, but I can find fault with the analogy between ‘online’ and ‘offline’ privacy.

When you’re ‘offline’, and you throw something in the garbage and take it out of your house, nobody needs a warrant or a subpoena to look at it. Isn’t putting something on the internet more like that than it is like having it in a drawer in your house?

For those documents we care about, we shred. Or burn. Gone forever. No more public access.

Anyway yes, I’d agree it’s a rough analogy, but not so much as to undermine the central issue. Without probable cause, or a connection to a real rather than potential investigation….

4 PeterWolf  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 3:35:19pm

Sigh, the difference personal data, and metadata. People really do need to learn the differences and why metadata requires only a subpoena.

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 20, 2013 5:03:29pm

re: #4 PeterWolf

Sigh, the difference personal data, and metadata. People really do need to learn the differences and why metadata requires only a subpoena.

‘Scuse me? Even that should require a warrant to gather. Because unless they have enough evidence to get a warrant from a judge, it’s not data they are allowed to gather. There is no good legal justification for gathering data that is not related to a particular investigation.


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