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1 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 12:32:35pm

I hope the Pope has some good body guards.

2 Ogami Itto  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 12:58:20pm

This Pope Francis fellow sounds a lot like a famous rabbi from the 1st century A.D. that I once heard of. Can’t think of his name though. ;-)

3 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 2:37:58pm

And on this I disagree with the pope intensely. Inequality is not the cause of injustice: Injustice is caused by people in power refusing to do their duty.

4 jvic  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 2:48:21pm

1. If a democracy’s governing elite gets too greedy, too incompetent, too committed to the status quo, they invite demagoguery by autocratic charlatans peddling superstitious twaddle.

2. As a secular conservative who has been bashed by religious kooks, I’m going to enjoy watching the Christian, especially the Catholic, Right go into conniptions over this.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 2:52:01pm

re: #4 jvic

1. If a democracy’s governing elite gets too greedy, too incompetent, too committed to the status quo, they invite demagoguery by autocratic charlatans peddling superstitious twaddle.

2. As a secular conservative who has been bashed by religious kooks, I’m going to enjoy watching the Christian, especially the Catholic, Right go into conniptions over this.

Quite Concur.

6 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:37:30pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

And on this I disagree with the pope intensely. Inequality is not the cause of injustice: Injustice is caused by people in power refusing to do their duty.

How do you explain the unequalness of Separate But Equal?

Yes, people refused to do their duty to the school systems, ignoring the law. Somehow, I don’t think we would have had the tools to deal with it without the law —which was put in place for the reason of inequality.

7 PeterWolf  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:38:52pm

Inequality is not necessarily the sole cause for injustice, but, it does play a large part in it.

8 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:40:07pm

Claiming slaves were 3/5 human wasn’t inequality?

9 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:47:46pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

Claiming slaves were 3/5 human wasn’t inequality?

Different pope declared the races of the new world fully human—Bull Sublimis Deus, 1537.

en.wikipedia.org

10 PeterWolf  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:49:49pm

re: #8 FemNaziBitch

Claiming slaves were 3/5 human wasn’t inequality?

Equality:
I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Inequality:
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

11 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 3:58:06pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

I hope the Pope has some good body guards.

Those silly renaissance uniforms conceal Uzis and guys trained on crew-served weapons. They once fought to almost the last man to cover the bugout of a notably bad pope.

12 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 4:04:55pm

The Pope continues, violating the only Commandment that matters (as taught to us by Saint Ronnie of Reagan) and guaranteeing forever the wrath of Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the RWNJ machine.

The pope also denounced “trickle-down” theories of economics promoted by many conservatives and politicians who espouse an unregulated free market.

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world,” he said. “This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.”

13 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 6:25:53pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

How do you explain the unequalness of Separate But Equal?

Yes, people refused to do their duty to the school systems, ignoring the law. Somehow, I don’t think we would have had the tools to deal with it without the law —which was put in place for the reason of inequality.

Simple: Equality in the eyes of the law is different from economic equality. Its not necessarily problematic if one person has a lot more money than another, but it is seriously problematic if the law mandates discrimination based on race.

14 sagehen  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:17:56pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

And on this I disagree with the pope intensely. Inequality is not the cause of injustice: Injustice is caused by people in power refusing to do their duty.

GHWB was the last Republican with any sense of Noblesse Oblige… he wasn’t able to pass it on to his children, and it cost him the party base.

15 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:19:29pm

Sorry, Your Holiness. But the problem isn’t capitalism. Capitalism is just a tool and tools have no ethical qualities. It can do only what the people using it direct it to do.

That’s where the real problem lies. The people using capitalism are selfish assholes who would sell their mother for fertilizer if it made them a few bucks.

16 sagehen  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 7:31:06pm

But if those bucks are taxed back to the commons, and used for schools, libraries, mass transit, public health, and a generally more robust safety net…

Let the bulk of wealth flow ever-upwards like one of those champagne fountains, as long as the pool at the top is shallow enough that most of it spills back down into the broader pool. Which we haven’t been doing for the last few decades, we’ve let the skinny top pool hold too much. (It would be a better metaphor if I had graphics skills).

17 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 26, 2013 8:16:59pm

I wonder how the Fischers and Santorums, and other RW Catholics, will take to this papal slapdown of their economic theories.

18 andres  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 5:44:34am

re: #15 Romantic Heretic

Sorry, Your Holiness. But the problem isn’t capitalism. Capitalism is just a tool and tools have no ethical qualities. It can do only what the people using it direct it to do.

That’s where the real problem lies. The people using capitalism are selfish assholes who would sell their mother for fertilizer if it made them a few bucks.

I think that’s the issue Pope Francis is rising: capitalism is a tool to be used, not a saint to be revered. Many people, especially those that spout unfettered free markets ideas, forget that small detail. Let capitalism do its work, but keep it rein.

19 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:06:56am

re: #17 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder how the Fischers and Santorums, and other RW Catholics, will take to this papal slapdown of their economic theories.

Not to nitpick but Fischer’s not Catholic. Anyhow, as for RW Catholics, they’ll just ignore it like they did when previous popes spoke out like this or against the death penalty and rushing to war.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:09:45am

re: #18 andres

I think that’s the issue Pope Francis is rising: capitalism is a tool to be used, not a saint to be revered. Many people, especially those that spout unfettered free markets ideas, forget that small detail. Let capitalism do its work, but keep it rein.

Right, the way some people talk about “The Market” is eerie similar to how past Communists would talk about “The Proletariat”. There’s a lot of myth and no contention for how things really are. The other thing and I think this is the flaw of the Right Wing idea that charity should be private not public is that private charities are unfortunately ripe with corruption.

21 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:01:43am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

My favourite author notes that the only significant difference between many ‘capitalists’ and many ‘Marxists’ is whether the ‘capitalism’ is a good or a bad thing.

But they agree that the Marxist analysis of capitalism is the correct one.

22 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 1:06:16pm

re: #18 andres

I think that’s the issue Pope Francis is rising: capitalism is a tool to be used, not a saint to be revered. Many people, especially those that spout unfettered free markets ideas, forget that small detail. Let capitalism do its work, but keep it rein.

Exactly, social justice is not socialism.

23 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 1:08:08pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Right, the way some people talk about “The Market” is eerie similar to how past Communists would talk about “The Proletariat”. There’s a lot of myth and no contention for how things really are. The other thing and I think this is the flaw of the Right Wing idea that charity should be private not public is that private charities are unfortunately ripe with corruption.

THIS, the current American Version of Capitalism seems to include a lot of morality. I hear a lot of those who “deserve” and those who don’t.

24 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 1:12:24pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

Simple: Equality in the eyes of the law is different from economic equality. Its not necessarily problematic if one person has a lot more money than another, but it is seriously problematic if the law mandates discrimination based on race.

Do you not see how a person’s race is often seen as indistinguishable from their economic condition? Assumptions are made, people are stereotyped.


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