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1 TatteredPhoenix  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 4:42:24am

The White House isn’t Hollywood, it’s a place of work and a family home. These people are just pissed they can’t act like paparazzi, and they deserve just as much respect as those leaches.

You disagree with the president’s initiatives? Do you want to see him fail? Fine, whatever. You’re bloody news agencies, write what you will. Just don’t think you have some mythical right to harass his kids however you want.

2 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:02:35am

re: #1 TatteredPhoenix

The press, like it or not is an essential check on power in government.

3 BusyMonster  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 6:30:53am

re: #2 Political Atheist

The press, like it or not is an essential check on power in government.

If they were talking about limiting access to actual information this would be something to get upset about.

Honestly, after seeing that this weeks’ big headlines were the punch-random-people-in-the-street game that doesn’t actually exist, and the giant fucking storm that was supposed to bury my state today (which I spend .02 seconds flicking a dry powder of snow off my windshield) I don’t think today’s failed news media could find a real story if they tried.

4 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:39:03am

re: #3 BusyMonster

Do you really want to judge the whole press or at least the WH press by Drudge and scandal rags? That’s a rather broad brush.

What of the respectable press? NPR? CS Monitor? BBC America? And long term?


There has been a pattern emerging. A pattern of very high resistance to even to most tame or obvious criticism of this administration. It seems we have given up the reasonable ground to the screaming fringe. We gave up the ground way too easily.

I’ll have no part of it. Mostly because the WH has admitted they have a point

Still, in an email response to questions, Carney said the White House was “working to address some of the concerns raised by photographers covering the White House.” He added, “We certainly do not believe that official photos released by the White House are a substitute for the work of independent journalists.”

latimes.com

Bam. I’ll take that as validation of the point.

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:44:27am

A bit more-

But news photographers complained that Obama’s staff increasingly deems events “private” or locales too confined for photos, only to later release the administration’s own pictures of the events. They say that proves the events were never intended to be private in the first place.

latimes.com

6 Political Atheist  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:57:02am

re: #1 TatteredPhoenix

The White House isn’t Hollywood, it’s a place of work and a family home. These people are just pissed they can’t act like paparazzi, and they deserve just as much respect as those leaches.

You disagree with the president’s initiatives? Do you want to see him fail? Fine, whatever. You’re bloody news agencies, write what you will. Just don’t think you have some mythical right to harass his kids however you want.

How is it you see no middle ground between official photogs only and reasonable access well short of paparazzi behavior? This is the LA Times and some other respected organizations speaking out.

My motivation here is to speak out for a free press and the check it provides on power, long term in a democracy. May I ask how you view that point, rather than Drudge, dudebros, glibertarians etc?

7 Jayleia  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 7:43:26pm

re: #6 Political Atheist

But they’re not talking about letting us see what “The Government” is doing, it lets us see pictures of what “A Guy and His Family” is doing…and they’re calling “A Guy and His Family” “The Government”

8 gwangung  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:42:06pm

re: #4 Political Atheist

Do you really want to judge the whole press or at least the WH press by Drudge and scandal rags? That’s a rather broad brush.

What of the respectable press? NPR? CS Monitor? BBC America? And long term?

There has been a pattern emerging. A pattern of very high resistance to even to most tame or obvious criticism of this administration. It seems we have given up the reasonable ground to the screaming fringe. We gave up the ground way too easily.

I’ll have no part of it. Mostly because the WH has admitted they have a point

latimes.com

Bam. I’ll take that as validation of the point.

Methinks you miss the sarcasm. And the barbs.

Also, access is not the same as journalism.

9 Timothy Watson  Wed, Nov 27, 2013 8:49:21pm

I’ve asked this before and never gotten a real response: What’s the difference between photo journalists taking pictures of a staged event and printing them versus receiving photographs of a staged event and then publishing them?

And what’s the last big story that a photo journalist broke?

10 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 28, 2013 10:06:50am

re: #9 Timothy Watson

I’ve asked this before and never gotten a real response: What’s the difference between photo journalists taking pictures of a staged event and printing them versus receiving photographs of a staged event and then publishing them?

And what’s the last big story that a photo journalist broke?

Wrong question.

When did an indpendant perspective (photo or otherwise) lose it’s value? Apparently right now.

11 Political Atheist  Thu, Nov 28, 2013 10:16:08am

How distorted is the atmosphere when standing up for journalistic access is taken as a negative? There is a culture paper in this.

12 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 28, 2013 1:29:41pm

re: #11 Political Atheist

How distorted is the atmosphere when standing up for journalistic access is taken as a negative? There is a culture paper in this.

It’s been distorted by unceasing, unhinged attacks on the president. The insane attacks started under Clinton, but after he beat the impeachment they tapered off, only to resume from a different quarter after the disputed 2000 election. 9/11 made the venom go away for about a year, but the run up to the Iraq War brought it back and it has never ceased flowing since. When Obama was elected, the level of insanity got even worse than it had been under Bush and it has yet to die down.

In the current climate, it is unsurprising that the White House wants to keep a lid on the press.

13 becominginvisible  Thu, Nov 28, 2013 2:06:52pm

re: #9 Timothy Watson

The difference is who owns the rights to the photo. I assume this latest whine is a direct result of losing court battles over taking peoples pictures (some copyrighted) off the Internet and copyrighting them as the press organization. It isn’t about freedom of the press or access it’s about money.

14 becominginvisible  Thu, Nov 28, 2013 2:40:13pm

The last time the PRESS got their knickers in a twist the Clinton Administration did away with the press room hierarchy. The nerve of Clinton to not require questions in advance and taking questions from any member of the press in the room! Really this whine about access has gotten stupid. Back in the 1960’s how many news outlets were there? 5 or 6? Now there are…20 or 30 or more. And they all want to be crammed into the oval office to get their own pictures….

I might of thought I missed the outrage when the G.W. Bush Administration banned shortwave radio stations broadcasting from Europe to North, Central and South America in 2001. No Deutsch Welle news from Germany in both English and German. No Radio Netherlands news and music. No BBC news and entertainment or reports from their reporters living in various countries around the world usually about everyday life. None of these stations could broadcast to their territories in the Caribbean. One of the first actions of the G.W. Bush Administration, stop broadcasting or the signal would be jammed. But there was no outrage. Not from the U.S. press, not even a whisper. The rest of the world was horrified.

jayleia, I think your right, the media does not understand the difference between the Administration and the President’s family.

15 becominginvisible  Thu, Nov 28, 2013 2:47:01pm

re: #5 Political Atheist

Releasing photos after the fact does not mean the event was not private. It means the press wanted to take pictures of a private event and a photo was released for the press because they asked for a photo. Although the press wanted to take that photo for their own copyright. Take a step back and look at the larger….um…picture.

16 BusyMonster  Fri, Nov 29, 2013 4:00:16pm

re: #4 Political Atheist

Do you really want to judge the whole press or at least the WH press by Drudge and scandal rags?.

Um, these were mainstream media stories. I do not EVER get headlines from a dumfuck like Drudge.

17 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 29, 2013 5:05:35pm

Oh please.
The media has done a shit job of reporting actual facts and shooting down obvious lies. Hell, they help perpetuate most GOP ACA lies, AGW lies, etc.
They stopped being journalists long ago.

18 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 29, 2013 5:07:05pm
“But more importantly, it would be stuff that Republicans have successfully messaged against it,” Todd told Rendell. “They don’t repeat the other stuff because they haven’t even heard the Democratic message. What I always love is people say, ‘Well, it’s you folks’ fault in the media.’ No, it’s the President of the United States’ fault for not selling it.”

Chuck Todd on GOP ACA lies.
See? This is all a fucking game to him.

19 Political Atheist  Sat, Nov 30, 2013 10:14:38am

re: #18 Varek Raith

Chuck Todd on GOP ACA lies.
See? This is all a fucking game to him.

Dude, we are talking LA Times, But srsly, this man says it better than I can.

“It’s the independent media who can give a true representation of what an event is,” said Doug Mills of the New York Times, who represents photographers in the White House Correspondents Assn. “It’s not put through a filter. Otherwise it’s a total press release. We call it the West Wing Wire Service.”

latimes.com

20 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 12:38:31pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

The press, like it or not is an essential check on power in government.

I’ve done photojournalism in this life. This is whining, not journalism.

21 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 12:44:47pm

re: #19 Political Atheist

Dude, we are talking LA Times, But srsly, this man says it better than I can.

What would they do that was better or different than what Pete Souza is doing, RWC? I’m sorry but I see no need for them to be sitting there in the way pretending they’re somehow telling a story that would otherwise be unknown.


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