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1 sauceruney  Sat, Nov 30, 2013 11:42:39am

Another reason to be thankful that neither John McCain nor Mitt Romney became president.

2 Aqua Obama  Sat, Nov 30, 2013 1:38:17pm

Cool cup.

3 philosophus invidius  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 10:02:25am

Idolatry

4 rosiee  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 11:35:10am

Still thinking the Iranians have good intentions, how cute.

5 palomino  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 5:54:41pm

re: #4 rosiee

Still thinking the Iranians have good intentions, how cute.

How about giving peace and diplomacy a chance, specifically 6 months?

We, or someone else, can always bomb Iran later and thus risk setting off another middle eastern war. But shouldn’t we at least try something else first?

And it always helps to remember the historical fact that we fucked Iran back in 1953 by overthrowing their democratically elected leader. For bullshit oil and cold war reasons. We wouldn’t forget that if done to us.

Refusing to at least try and improve relations with Iran is just a reflexive dogmatic response that insures no progress will be made. If you’ve already decided they’re the devil, then what’s the point of anything? We might as well just start nihilistically bombing away.

6 Varek Raith  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 7:55:02pm

re: #4 rosiee

Will you be signing up to wage war on Iran?

7 rosiee  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 11:37:28pm

re: #5 palomino

Meanwhile, in reality, the Iranian regime uses this as a propaganda victory. Sanctions were working, this deal is bad, the Iranian government has already said it will continue expanding it’s program.

8 rosiee  Sun, Dec 1, 2013 11:38:23pm

re: #5 palomino

If I was Iranian I`d be more pissed off at the current state of affairs than a Western backed coup in the 50`s

9 Varek Raith  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 1:57:23am

re: #8 rosiee

If I was Iranian I`d be more pissed off at the current state of affairs than a Western backed coup in the 50`s

And it goes right over your head that the current state of affairs is a dircet consequence of our coup.

10 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 9:32:34am

re: #9 Varek Raith

And it goes right over your head that the current state of affairs is a dircet consequence of our coup.

QFT

11 rosiee  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 11:46:31am

re: #9 Varek Raith

And your point? Even more reason for America to fix it’s own mess. Just like they had to do in Afghanistan after they propped up the Mujahiddin.

I hope, hope to the bottom of my heart that Iran decides it’s not worth it to continue on it’s path to war, for you make it seem like the obverse is true, that war is being foisted upon the Mullahs, nay, tis the bearded ones who beat the drums.

12 palomino  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 4:26:14pm

re: #7 rosiee

Bullshit. It’s a 6 month agreement and all parties are using it as a “propaganda tool”, including both the left and right in the US. If it sucks, it will go poof in 5 months. But don’t we owe it to ourselves and everyone else to at least try a diplomatic solution?

Please, though, answer the simple question. If you oppose diplomacy, what are you left with other than bombing and probably starting another middle eastern war. Is this what you really want?

13 palomino  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 4:33:37pm

re: #8 rosiee

If I was Iranian I`d be more pissed off at the current state of affairs than a Western backed coup in the 50`s

What YOU might feel as an imaginary Iranian is irrelevant.

Facts on the ground are relevant. The younger Iranian population is more educated and pro-West than any other Muslim country in the region. The surest way to destroy that positive dynamic is to start bombing and push the young back into the arms of the theocrats who currently run the country.

Shouldn’t we try something else before we risk a regional war? Like I said, we can always do that 6 months from now.

14 palomino  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 4:38:23pm

re: #7 rosiee

Meanwhile, in reality, the Iranian regime uses this as a propaganda victory. Sanctions were working, this deal is bad, the Iranian government has already said it will continue expanding it’s program.

If the Iranians expand their program, the deal is rescinded. That’s specifically why the deal is so short, at just 6 months. What part of this is so difficult to understand?

If you’re still this bloodthirsty in 6 months, you may well get the war you seem to desire. Be careful what you wish for, though. When was the last good middle eastern war involving the US?

15 CuriousLurker  Mon, Dec 2, 2013 4:38:51pm

re: #11 rosiee

It’s the job of the American President to do what’s in the best interests of the USA, period. I trust that President Obama has access to more & better intelligence info on Iran than you do, so I’m going to trust his diplomacy on this as I don’t want us to end up in some long, bloody, drawn-out war of attrition that drags on & on for the next 100 (or more) years.

In any event, sanctions should have nothing whatsoever to do with the return of looted antiquities that are part of a country’s cultural heritage, regardless of how one feels about the country. It was theirs. We gave it back. It probably made many Iranians very happy to have it returned, no matter how much that pains you. End of story.


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