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1 sffilk  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:34:41am

Good for him!

2 CuriousLurker  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:48:21am

I was just reading an article over at Slate the other day that asserted Israel won’t legalize gay marriage any time soon for a host of very complicated religious & political reasons, but that there might be a chance for compromise on civil unions for heterosexual couples (which is currently not allowed either—something I wasn’t previously aware of).

Israel Won’t Legalize Gay Marriage. Here’s Why.

Enter the marriage conundrum. In Israel, all valid marriages conducted abroad are recognized by the state, and foreign same-sex marriages are recorded for statistical purposes. That means a gay couple that weds in, say, the Netherlands remains wed in Israel. But that doesn’t mean a gay couple in Tel Aviv can walk down to city hall and procure a marriage license. Marriage is an exclusively religious institution in Israel, with separate religious authorities for Jews and Muslims, Christians and Druze. For Israeli Jews, marriage policy is dictated by the Chief Rabbinate, which is under the exclusive control of the Orthodox—and firmly opposed to gay marriage. Since the country has no civil marriage, gay couples seeking to marry within the borders of Israel are out of luck (as are any Jewish Israelis seeking a non-Orthodox marriage ceremony).

This arrangement—whereby marriage is in the control of the Orthodox rabbinate—is part of what Israelis call the status quo: an understanding between secular and religious Jews regarding the balance between religion and state. The status quo affects not only marriage, but also the education system, family law, supervision of kosher restaurants, and the opening of shops and public transportation on shabbat. […]

Since I’m not Jewish, have never been to Israel, and don’t know much about its laws & politics, I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the article, but I assume it would be easy enough to fact check. Or someone here will correct things. ;)

3 Lord of the Pies  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 9:50:29am

re: #2 CuriousLurker

I was just reading an article on Slate the other day that asserted Israel won’t legalize gay marriage any time soon for a host of very complicated religious & political reasons, but that there might be a chance for compromise on civil unions for heterosexual couples (which is currently not allowed either—something I wasn’t previously aware of).

Since I’m not Jewish, have ever been to Israel, and don’t know much about its laws & politics I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the article, but I assume it would be easy enough to fact check. Or someone here will correct things. ;)

I do not see any inaccuracies in the Slate article, it describes the situation pretty well.

4 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 10:15:54am

re: #2 CuriousLurker

re: #3 Lord of the Pies

I think heard that somewhere about there being on civil marriages in Israel. Still I can imagine the American radical right not being too happy with Shimon Peres

5 euphgeek  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 12:31:03pm

What would really make wingnut heads explode would be if Netanyahu backed same-sex marriage.

6 Tigger2  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 2:51:21pm

The Teabaggers will now be abandoning Israel.

7 rosiee  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:51:10pm
Now I wonder how long it will be until homophobic wingnuts here in the states, start angrily yelling about how Israel will “incur the wrath of God” for tolerating homosexuality?

The Ultra-Orthodox are about 60 years ahead of you on that one.

8 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 5:52:38pm

re: #6 Tigger2

The Teabaggers will now be abandoning Israel.

Probably not, although this tick a lot of them off, and separate the far right social conservatives from the far right libertarians.

9 alansfmd  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 6:26:49pm

re: #4 CriticalDragon1177

You may be thinking of Israelis flying to Cyprus to be married as there is no civil marriage in Israel.

en.wikipedia.org

10 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Dec 5, 2013 8:02:19pm

re: #9 alansfmd

that was a typo. Sorry about that. I meant to say

“I think heard that somewhere about there being no civil marriages in Israel.” However I didn’t notice the mistake until you replied to my comment. Sorry.


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