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1 Lord of the Pies  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:18:24am

How many billions of profits does Mother Jones magazine make every year? How many millions does it pay its CEO?

Oh never mind.

2 Timothy Watson  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:43:19am

Really? This is like me complaining that I didn’t get paid for an internship at a government office (a prosecutor’s office) that could barely afford to pay its own employees.

3 Joanne  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 6:03:00am

Six bucks an hour is a pretty decent internship, especially when you look at all the companies that do not pay interns at all and use them as a free labor force…much like many Congresscritters.

You get valuable skills from an internship. My university required an internship to graduate, but that was for X number of weeks, geared towards young people who didn’t have any work experience. For them, that is invaluable to put on a resume. But when you take advantage of interns for extended periods of time, or, as one company did, take on multiple interns at no wages, with the knowledge that one of them will be hired (real life Fangasm), the company benefits where the majority of the interns just gave away their labor efforts.

I find it interesting that you compare an internship to permanent full-time employment - and don’t see the difference between the two.

4 shecky  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:38:29am
How many billions of profits does Mother Jones magazine make every year? How many millions does it pay its CEO?

Utterly irrelevant. You don’t get an excuse to take unfair advantage of the labor of others because you can’t afford it.

Really? This is like me complaining that I didn’t get paid for an internship at a government office (a prosecutor’s office) that could barely afford to pay its own employees.

Yes, really. Either work is valuable enough to pay living wage, or it isn’t. Wiggling out of that conviction because you’re fighting the good fight rings hollow. Being a non profit or public sector industry offers no excuse. It may only adds to the hypocrisy.

I find it interesting that you compare an internship to permanent full-time employment - and don’t see the difference between the two.

I find it interesting that as you describe internship, it’s a hand out for people already on track to bigger and better things. Kind of like welfare for people who need it least.

5 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:39:53am

Shecky you’re a tool that doesn’t understand the difference between internships and full time jobs.

The original article is rife with illogic and presumption:

That’s a start, paying people the bare minimum required under US law. But try living off that anywhere in America, much less the ultra-expensive cities where most of these publications are based. You can’t, even if you turn to the generic cat food.

Uh, so you have to live in SF if the magazine is based in SF? Hello, internet? Srsly?

The real chutzpah is the absolute fucking hypocrisy being displayed here in that wingnuts have little or no care about low wages (for actual full time jobs, as in careers), but suddenly care about low wages at ‘the liberal media.’

Because liberal media, because ‘Ha Ha Ha Burn! We Got You! Ha Ha Ha Lol’ like a 12 year old.

This is right wing intellectualism. It only cares about low wages when it can be used to feign hypocrisy at their philosophical enemies, but at no other time.

Sounds like the our low wage labor industry was getting hit pretty hard and there’s a little pushback going on. Even if it’s based on morally vapid pseudo journalism, it’s something.

6 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:43:36am

re: #4 shecky

Utterly irrelevant. You don’t get an excuse to take unfair advantage of the labor of others because you can’t afford it.

Totally relevant no matter how much you say utterly irrelevant. Internship is a long utilized relationship in many industries.

It is not a permanent job. But hey, at least none of them died during their internship. A quick google search resulted in a noticeable lack of concern from the right wing media on this story. Hm…

At the very least the ‘liberal media’ is responding to criticism to some degree. Much more than I can say for other industries that choose to rationalize it away by blaming the victim.

7 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:44:43am

re: #4 shecky

Yes, really. Either work is valuable enough to pay living wage, or it isn’t. Wiggling out of that conviction because you’re fighting the good fight rings hollow. Being a non profit or public sector industry offers no excuse. It may only adds to the hypocrisy.

Explain how this adds to the hypocrisy.

8 shecky  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:08:03am
Explain how this adds to the hypocrisy.

Living wage for thee, not for me.

Face it, some of these outlets that skewered companies like MacDonalds for their labor practices are embarrassed by the fact that they are doing the same thing. So much so they responded that they’re committed to making the situations better. The Mother Jones responses demonstrate that.

The idea that low or no pay internships are a standard thing and therefore puts Mother Jones in the clear, rings hollow, too. While Minimum wage is a standard thing, companies like McD’s and Walmart are being criticized not for following the standard, but for not going beyond and paying a living wage. Which has yet to be standardized.

The bottom line is if you want to employ people, you need to pay the minimum we’ve all agreed upon. And if you believe that agreed upon minimum is insufficient for real life people, you need to walk the walk and pay more.

9 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:19:10am

re: #8 shecky

Living wage for thee, not for me.

No, that’s the original feigned hypocrisy. It doesn’t add to it.

You also make the intellectual faulty argumnet of implying that since MJ responded to this sudden moral outcry they were embarrassed, therefore they know they were wrong. end of thought.

Which completely ignores the fact they responded in the first place.

Which also completely ignores the fact that low wage internships have never been a concern before with all these people who are suddenly concerned about low wage internships, notably a bunch of right wing blogs… which didn’t seem concerned about a dead banking intern.

Which completely ignores what internships are: temporary, typically 3-6 months.

Which completely ignores the fact that it is assumed you actually have another job or are also going to school or finishing up an education at the same time.

I could go on. But go ahead and continue clutching your Labor Concern Pearls.

10 Tim TeaBro  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:24:04am

Charles Davis is a DudeBro’s Advocacy Journalist. Heh.

11 cinesimon  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 10:09:54am

This is laughably childish.
Shecky, this kind of non-critical thinking will only get laughed at here at LGF.

12 BongCrodny  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:29:50am

SimplyHired.com currently has a list of 140,609 unpaid internships.

Some of the companies offering unpaid internships include include the American Cancer Society, American Diabetes Association, YMCA, various hospitals, various sports marketing firms and teams, NASCAR, etc.

Will you be authoring posts condemning all those companies?

Your attempt at a “gotcha” is pathetic.

13 ausador  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 11:33:47am

Mother Jones…

It’s also why, as of January 1, our 2014 budget increases the base fellowship stipend to $1,500—an amount equivalent to slightly more than California minimum wage.

shecky…

Which would put their new and improved intern wages pretty close to the hourly wage of the average chain fast food/big box retailer.

Says who? Just you? Based on what factual evidence?
Guess what shecky, the cut-off for “foodstamps” (the SNAP program) is only $1278.00 per month for a single person. So a $1500.00 per month salary from Mother Jones to its interns means that none of them qualify for Federal food assistance any longer.

It also means that your claim that many or most of fast food or big box workers are making as much or more than the raised Mother Jones wages is patently false. If they are making over $1278.00 then how can so many of them still be on Federal food assistance?

Perhaps their hourly wage would be high enough to raise them above the assistance level if they were working full time, but the fact is that practically none of them work anything close to full-time hours.

Besides all of which you are comparing “intern” positions, many of which do not pay any wage at all, with paid staffing positions. They are two completely different things and your attempt to conflate them to show hypocrisy by Mother Jones is ludicrous.

They could probably still attract enough people to fill their intern positions while offering no wages whatsoever. Internships are generally used as work experience and “resume padding” by college students getting close to entering the job market. Many of them are often willing to work a short-term internship for free simply to get the experience.

14 philosophus invidius  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:10:02pm

There are two truths to be learned from this post.

(1) We need to make sure we clearly understand the difference between an intern and an employee. Employers certainly have an interest in confusing these two in order to get free labor.

(2) Walmart and McDonald’s certainly engage in some unsavory calculating about how to squeeze the maximum profit out of people who can barely afford to survive. But ultimately they are in business to make a profit. To do that they need to minimize costs. The lesson to be learned from their suggestion to get food stamps should not be that they are evil businesses, but rather that under the current system corporations profit by giving their labor less than a living wage—with the taxpayer providing some of the missing difference. We have given them a strong incentive to act this way.

In short, shecky is reminding us that we shouldn’t think of the problem here as one of a few bad actors. That is just a distraction. The problem is weak labor laws, the undermining of unions’ ability to protect worker rights, and the lack of a sufficient minimum wage.

15 Amory Blaine  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 12:14:10pm

shecky, what do you consider a living wage?

16 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Fri, Dec 6, 2013 1:47:16pm

re: #8 shecky

Living wage for thee, not for me.

Absolutely false. The laws liberals are pushing for would apply just as much to liberal companies/groups as it would to conservative ones.

It appears that you are conflating the issue of low paid wage work with the issue of unpaid and low paid internships. Well if you had done your research you would see that the ones pushing for ending unpaid internships are, again, liberals.

Lastly, your comparison is absurd. On one hand you have a company that doesn’t have to pay it’s interns anything but choose to increase their pay despite a tight budget. On the other hand you have companies that are resisting paying their wage workers more despite raking in profits. That you would present the two as comparable is laughable.


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