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1 ObserverArt  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 5:31:30pm

He has got to implode one of these days. That much stupid Barton-like BS in an empty human waste container and it has to collapse in on itself due to the inner vacuum.

2 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 6:12:38pm

RealityBasedSteve,

Bryan Fischer is determined to deny what the first amendment actually says, because its an anathema to theocratic bigots like him, much the same way the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment, are to racists, especially when you combined them with the 1964 civil rights act.

Fischer actually has more in common with those Muslim fanatics like Anjem Choudary who actually would like to force their interpretation of sharia on everyone, than he does with our founding fathers. In fact people like Choudary despise the first amendment, because they know that the separation of church and state mandated by the establishment clause is one of things standing in their way. Fischer of course would despise the first amendment as well, if he actually accepted what it really said.

He of course will deny this, but it’s plainly obvious to anyone, who actually reads the first amendment, and realizes that there’s nothing, anywhere in the constitution that contradicts it. No historian or legal scholar worth his or her salt would ever agree with him on this. Unfortunately many of his followers will be dumb enough to actually believe him.

3 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 6:17:34pm

Fischer has basically showed us once again that he has no respect for freedom of religion, contrary to everything he may claim. He definitely deserves the “American Taliban” Label, because we would have as much freedom of religion as Afghanistan did under the Taliban, if Christian fanatics like him, had their way.

4 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 7:11:43pm

Deluded is as deluded does.

5 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 7:14:17pm

re: #2 CriticalDragon1177

RealityBasedSteve,

Bryan Fischer is determined to deny what the first amendment actually says, because its an anathema to theocratic bigots like him, much the same way the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment, are to racists, especially when you combined them with the 1964 civil rights act.

Fischer actually has more in common with those Muslim fanatics like Anjem Choudary who actually would like to force their interpretation of sharia on everyone, than he does with our founding fathers. In fact people like Choudary despise the first amendment, because they know that the separation of church and state mandated by the establishment clause is one of things standing in their way. Fischer of course would despise the first amendment as well, if he actually accepted what it really said.

He of course will deny this, but it’s plainly obvious to anyone, who actually reads the first amendment, and realizes that there’s nothing, anywhere in the constitution that contradicts it. No historian or legal scholar worth his or her salt would ever agree with him on this. Unfortunately many of his followers will be dumb enough to actually believe him.

Which is why Fischer is going to freak out when the courts uphold the Hindu/Satanist lawsuit’s arguments. And should the Supreme Court hear the case, He’ll howl about ‘betrayal’ when Scalia and Alito rule in the Hindus and Satanists favor.

Eventually, Fischer is either going to simply fade away or he’s going to start advocating armed insurrection.

6 Skip Intro  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 7:31:43pm

I guess it really never has dawned on these Neanderthals that religion means all religions, including no religion, period.

If you can ring your church bells on Sunday morning, don’t be surprised that the local mosque can broadcast a call to prayer five times a day.

7 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 7:32:05pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

If it weren’t for the fact that it would wind up with him in prison, I would be surprised by the fact that he hasn’t already tried bringing about an armed revolution. He probably dreams of an America with him in charge as an all powerful “godly” dictator.

8 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 7:41:05pm

Guys like this…if they got their way, they’d just re-define Christianity to mean their brand of Protestantism.

9 Ace-o-aces  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 8:08:58pm
There are already 2 Bryan Fischer pages going, may as well make it a trifecta.

Admittedly, looking for right wing craziness from Fischer is pretty low hanging fruit.

10 sagehen  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 8:15:49pm

From Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

signed at Tripoli in 1796, submitted to the Senate by President John Adams in January 1797, ratified unanimously. Do I need to point out, that most of the Senators at that time were actual Founders? Like they’d signed the Declaration of Independence, attended the Constitutional Convention and helped write it, etc?

11 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 8:59:38pm

re: #10 sagehen

I’d love to see the religious right idiots, especially Fischer try to explain that away, especially since, there was very little opposition to it at the time.

12 Kragar  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 9:29:25pm

US Constitution, Article VI, paragraph 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

You would have thought if they meant Christianity to supersede other religions, they would not have included this bit.

13 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 11, 2013 10:30:24pm

re: #12 Kragar

I agree. I would also assume that they would have specifically mentioned Christianity somewhere in the constitution. Off course Fischer would claim that everyone back than “knew” that by religion they meant “Christianity.” Off course the founders and just about everyone else in the country wouldn’t have “known” that, and would have looked at him like he was mentally ill.

14 ObserverArt  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:33:33am

I think he is mentally ill. Socially too. Guys like this, David Barton, Sarah Palin and the like make this country a less beautiful place with their ugly crap.

15 RealityBasedSteve  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 5:22:02am

re: #9 Ace-o-aces

Admittedly, looking for right wing craziness from Fischer is pretty low hanging fruit.

It’s sort of like how a friend of mine described meeting women online… “The Odds can be Good, but the Goods can be Odd”.

RBS

16 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 7:22:26am

re: #3 CriticalDragon1177

Fischer has basically showed us once again that he has no respect for freedom of religion, contrary to everything he may claim. He definitely deserves the “American Taliban” Label, because we would have as much freedom of religion as Afghanistan did under the Taliban, if Christian fanatics like him, had their way.

When people like Fischer talk about ‘freedom’ they are really talking about power. Their complaint is that white, straight, Christian men with property can no longer tell ‘those lesser people’ what to do.

It makes them a little crazy.

17 nines09  Thu, Dec 12, 2013 9:58:28am

I think he means “our” Constitution as the one “he” would “write” should “he” get to be Lord and Master And Grand Poobah of The Insane and Corrupt. He can’t mean THE Constitution. That would be insane. Oh. Wait. I see.


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