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1 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:51:20pm

Good to see this development. I’m not sure I understand the benefit of privatizing the metadata collection. The real deal is how many changes are actually put in place.

These comments illustrate the political landscape. The very first two as it happens

Which part of….”no search…except based on a warrant….sworn to by oath or affirmation…describing the person, places…..to be searched”
is unclear?

We all need to accept monitoring of all US phone calls in order to protect our security from people who will stop at nothing to destroy this country.

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 1:55:02pm
According to officials familiar with the report, the advisory group called for continuing the bulk collection of data about telephone calls, but moving it to private hands, a process that officials say could take several years.

I think “moving it to private hands” means requiring telecom companies to retain their call records for longer periods of time. That’s what I’ve seen discussed previously.

3 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:16:59pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I think “moving it to private hands” means requiring telecom companies to retain their call records for longer periods of time. That’s what I’ve seen discussed previously.

Aha, that I like. Bravo.

4 Snertly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:25:13pm

“the advisory group called for continuing the bulk collection of data about telephone calls, but moving it to private hands”

Oh, what a lovely candidate for outsourcing. Who might bid on the contract?

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:30:46pm

re: #4 Snertly

“the advisory group called for continuing the bulk collection of data about telephone calls, but moving it to private hands”

Oh, what a lovely candidate for outsourcing. Who might bid on the contract?

Dude, see #2. AT&T.

6 Snertly  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 2:56:32pm

re: #5 Political Atheist

Dude, see #2. AT&T.

Would asking the telco to hang on to the data longer be the same thing as “moving it [the bulk collection of data about telephone calls] to private hands”? Sounds far fetched. If data is still at the telco, then it hasn’t been “collected” yet. Were that the plan, calling the data “uncollected” would be a better selling point.

7 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 4:14:17pm

Leaving it in private hands. But lets see. I’m not seeing any advantage to a 3rd party. Solves the probable cause issue, the telcos just keep what they have anyway.

8 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 5:22:32pm

I was right, by the way - the recommendation is to have the telecom companies retain the metadata. And querying this data would require jumping through a much higher legal hoop.

If it’s adopted it would be a major change — essentially shuts down the NSA’s domestic metadata collection programs.

9 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 18, 2013 6:15:00pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I was right, by the way - the recommendation is to have the telecom companies retain the metadata. And querying this data would require jumping through a much higher legal hoop.

If it’s adopted it would be a major change — essentially shuts down the NSA’s domestic metadata collection programs.

That is a win. No two ways about it, precisely the kind of change that I was looking for. BAM.


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