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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 12:20:09pm

My reply:

If you’re conservative, ignore the Culture War issues in the article and focus on Obamacare. It just had its enrollment deadline extended again and people are still reporting problems. Use that to engage those who you can reach. Don’t engage the actual progressives at the table too much; You’re not going to win the other side’s true believers over. Concentrate on those people you can win over.

Don’t fling insults ,but answer them effectively. If someone left-of-center starts insulting you and will not back down, ‘congratulate’ him or her on Barack Obama’s ‘If you like your plan, you can keep it.’ line being named Politafact’s Lie of the Year. If there any crazy Dems running for office where you live, invoke them to summon the Magical Balance Fairy to fend off attacks on GOP party officeholders.

So in short, fight clear and focused on Obamacare, but if the other side insists on fighting dirty strike hard while maintain your offensive against the main target.

2 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 5:40:25pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Conservatives will stand a better of defeating a liberal when it comes to Obamacare vs social issue, especially since we had the website debacle.

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 6:07:28pm

re: #2 CriticalDragon1177

Conservatives will stand a better of defeating a liberal when it comes to Obamacare vs social issue, especially have the website debacle.

That’s my point, fight the battles you can win. I had a good laugh at the ‘pajama boy’ meme, but a good laugh was all it was good for. Obamacare is going to stand or fall based on perceptions of its results, not based on who appears in ads promoting it. The key to winning a debate is to focus on issues that are important to your audience and convince them that you have the best solutions.

4 Jim D  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 6:08:33pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

So you’re against folks having decent affordable healthcare? We had relatives over today that haven’t had health insurance in decades, but were now so excited that they were going to be covered next year? You’d prefer they remain uninsured? Perhaps you just want to score point for your team, but it’s real lives that are affected by this stuff.
My child would have been denied coverage if it wasn’t for the ACA. He wouldn’t have received important treatment without it.
Are you at all capable of putting yourself into someone else’s shoes? Are you really so indifferent to the health and wellbeing of others? Is it really more important to score points against our president than to show a little concern for the general welfare of the citizens of this country?

5 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 6:10:22pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Thanks I fixed the mistakes in my last comment. I should have noticed them earlier, sorry about that. It was a good thing too, it just timed out, so it can’t be edited any more.

6 StephenMeansMe  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 9:44:31pm

re: #4 Jim D

So you’re against folks having decent affordable healthcare? We had relatives over today that haven’t had health insurance in decades, but were now so excited that they were going to be covered next year? You’d prefer they remain uninsured?

That’s pretty uncharitable. While the coverage (and protections!) extended by Obamacare are better than nothing, they might be weaker than any number of plausible alternatives. Heck, many liberals would agree (cf. single payer).

Maybe rule #0 should be “don’t commit yourself to a war before the belligerents have even declared themselves.”

7 Jim D  Wed, Dec 25, 2013 10:12:17pm

re: #6 StephenMeansMe

Obviously there are better alternatives, but this is the best thing we could get given sorry state of the GOP. Do you really think that DF is trying to argue that the ACA is a failure because it’s not single payer. He’s against it because it’s from the wrong team. I just get disgusted when I read comments like this that treat this whole thing like a game.

8 BusyMonster  Thu, Dec 26, 2013 5:19:11am

re: #7 Jim D

Obviously there are better alternatives, but this is the best thing we could get given sorry state of the GOP. Do you really think that DF is trying to argue that the ACA is a failure because it’s not single payer. He’s against it because it’s from the wrong team. I just get disgusted when I read comments like this that treat this whole thing like a game.

That’s about how I feel too. Obamacare couldn’t have ever been perfect on day 1, just because of how our system works. That the insurance industry had their thumb on the scale while this was being weighed played a huge part in how watered-down it actually is, and that isn’t the fault of the Democrats, god-damn it that was the concessions we were giving so fucking Olympia Fucking Snowe might vote for it, which I believe she ended up not doing.

Right-wing critiques of Obamacare also breezily ignore the fact that it was a plan cooked up by the Heritage Foundation in response to Hillarycare in the 1990’s, so this is the plan you guys wanted. You wanna bitch about it? I suggest you phone up your asshole friends at the Heritage Foundation, then. This is what you people wanted. This is what you’re getting. We did it fucking your way and it isn’t working out all that well? Fuck me, that’s why we should have done it our way 20 years ago, jackasses!


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