German Far-Right Steps Up Anti-Refugee Protests

Europe • December 2013 • Views: 1,271

Germany has seen a spike in far-right protests against refugees this year as the number of people seeking asylum in the country rose by two thirds.

Government figures show 18 “noteworthy” extremist gatherings outside buildings housing refugees this year, compared with three in 2012.

Nearly 100,000 people applied for asylum in Germany between January and November, up from 60,000 in 2012. The rise in claims is partly due to conflicts in Syria and Russia’s Caucasus region.

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ausador Thu, Dec 26, 2013 1:51:47pm

Germany has a population of only about 82 million compared to the U.S. population of 313 million. Yet Germany is taking in 40% more refugees and asylum seekers than the United States allows across it’s borders.

Yes, Germany has a problem with right wing anti-immigrant groups but then again so does the United States and with a lot less casus belli on our part.

“People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones” - Geoffery Chaucer (also Benjamin Franklin).

I’m not trying to excuse the behavior of the German Right-wing groups in any way, just trying to add some perspective. This is not definitive evidence that the modern day German people are more opposed to immigration or prone to Right-wing violence.

What do you suppose would happen here if the refugee/asylum immigration quotas were more than quadrupled to match those of Germany on a per capita basis? Don’t you think we might see more protests, and with more of them precipitating acts of violence?

wrenchwench Thu, Dec 26, 2013 3:33:09pm

re: #1 ausador

Germany has a population of only about 82 million compared to the U.S. population of 313 million. Yet Germany is taking in 40% more refugees and asylum seekers than the United States allows across it’s borders.

Yes, Germany has a problem with right wing anti-immigrant groups but then again so does the United States and with a lot less casus belli on our part.

I’m not trying to excuse the behavior of the German Right-wing groups in any way, just trying to add some perspective. This is not definitive evidence that the modern day German people are more opposed to immigration or prone to Right-wing violence.

What do you suppose would happen here if the refugee/asylum immigration quotas were more than quadrupled to match those of Germany on a per capita basis? Don’t you think we might see more protests, and with more of them precipitating acts of violence?

It isn’t just about the number allowed across the border. It’s also about those BORN in the country. That’s where German law is radically different from the US, and it will affect how racist Germany is seen, until they change it.

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Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:02:57pm

re: #2 wrenchwench

It isn’t just about the number allowed across the border. It’s also about those BORN in the country. That’s where German law is radically different from the US, and it will affect how racist Germany is seen, until they change it.

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Just so. The upshot of the legal difference is that a child born of two refugees legally living in Germany is counted as a refugee as well, whereas child born in similar legal circumstances in the United States is an American citizen and thus not counted as a refugee.

ausador Thu, Dec 26, 2013 4:16:07pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Just so. The upshot of the legal difference is that a child born of two refugees legally living in Germany is counted as a refugee as well, whereas child born in similar legal circumstances in the United States is an American citizen and thus >not counted as a refugee.

I could swear that I have seen you arguing here previously that children born in the U.S. of immigrant parents should not be automatically granted citizenship… :p

Dark_Falcon Thu, Dec 26, 2013 6:41:23pm

re: #4 ausador

I could swear that I have seen you arguing here previously that children born in the U.S. of immigrant parents should not be automatically granted citizenship… :p

I was talking about those born to parents in the US illegally at the time. I’m not going to rehash or defend what I previously said on that matter. But this is a different case: If someone is born to parents who are in the US legally, then in my mind there can be no doubt that they are a citizen.

wrenchwench Fri, Dec 27, 2013 12:49:25pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I was talking about those born to parents in the US illegally at the time. I’m not going to rehash or defend what I previously said on that matter. But this is a different case: If someone is born to parents who are in the US legally, then in my mind there can be no doubt that they are a citizen.

You should have no doubt in either case. The 14th amendment is NOT fuzzy about this. A child born in the US is a citizen by birth, with rare exceptions for foreign parents here on official business, such as diplomats.

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